{"id":7685,"date":"2013-03-01T23:59:04","date_gmt":"2013-03-02T05:59:04","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=7685"},"modified":"2013-03-01T23:59:04","modified_gmt":"2013-03-02T05:59:04","slug":"ellos-y-nosotros-vii-ls-mas-pequens-2-%c2%bfcomo-se-hace","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=7685","title":{"rendered":"<!--:es-->ELLOS Y NOSOTROS VII.- L@s m\u00e1s peque\u00f1@s 2.-\u00bfC\u00f3mo se hace?<!--:--><!--:en-->Them and Us. VII. \u2013 The Smallest of them All 2: How is it done?<!--:-->"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--:es--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>ELLOS Y NOSOTROS.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>VII.- L@s m\u00e1s peque\u00f1@s 2.<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>2.-\u00bfC\u00f3mo se hace?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Febrero del 2013.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Nota<\/strong>:\u00a0 Compas, en otra oportunidad (si es que llega a  haberla) les explicaremos c\u00f3mo es que est\u00e1 organizado nuestro EZLN.\u00a0  Ahora no queremos distraerlos de la \u201c<em>Compartici\u00f3n<\/em>\u201c.\u00a0 S\u00f3lo les  aclaramos que van a ver algo de una \u201cComisi\u00f3n de Informaci\u00f3n\u201d.\u00a0 Esta  Comisi\u00f3n est\u00e1 formada por compa\u00f1eras y compa\u00f1eros, comandantes y  comandantas (El <strong>CCRI<\/strong> o Comit\u00e9 Clandestino  Revolucionario Ind\u00edgena), que est\u00e1n viendo los trabajos de la autonom\u00eda,  apoyan a las Juntas de Buen Gobierno y mantienen informadas a las bases  de apoyo zapatistas de c\u00f3mo va todo.<\/p>\n<p>Van, pues, m\u00e1s fragmentos de la \u201ccompartici\u00f3n\u201d zapatista:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>-*-<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p><em> De esta manera hacemos el trabajo. Como aqu\u00ed en el \u00faltimo dice:  \u00bfc\u00f3mo se resuelven los problemas? \u00a0S\u00ed ha habido problemas en el  municipio. \u00a0Problemas de tierra, problemas de amenaza, problemas de luz,  s\u00ed lo existe y creo que en todos los pueblos existen esos problemas,  porque no vivimos solamente los que somos base de apoyo, m\u00e1s cuando  vivimos en los pueblos oficiales donde est\u00e1n los enemigos, donde est\u00e1n  los que gobiernan, donde est\u00e1n los paramilitares, por eso existen esos  problemas. \u00a0Pero tenemos que ver la forma en que tenemos que gobernar,  aunque realmente para aprender s\u00ed cuesta porque, como dec\u00edan algunos  compa\u00f1eros, no hay un instructivo. \u00a0No hay una forma d\u00f3nde guiarse, no  hay un escrito donde nos tenemos que guiar, sino tenemos que recordar  c\u00f3mo sirvieron nuestros antepasados cuando ellos no eran nombrados por  los oficiales sino que es por el pueblo y ellos serv\u00edan al pueblo, no  hab\u00eda sueldo. \u00a0Ya empez\u00f3 la corrupci\u00f3n, empez\u00f3 el mal servicio y es  cuando entr\u00f3 el sueldo.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Por eso de esta manera, lo poco que yo he estado en  mi pueblo, en mi municipio, es lo que he podido servir aunque todav\u00eda,  como he dicho, seguimos aprendiendo, no porque ya tenemos edad.  \u00a0Seguimos aprendiendo con todos y todas. \u00a0Creo que \u00e9sta es la funci\u00f3n de  los distintos niveles, as\u00ed como los comisariados, los agentes, tambi\u00e9n  tienen su funci\u00f3n pero tambi\u00e9n les falta c\u00f3mo resolver un problema. \u00a0S\u00ed  hace falta porque no estamos preparados, porque nosotros como campesinos  m\u00e1s nos enfocamos en el campo, nuestra ley es el machete y la lima, y  el pozol que llevamos. Pues no s\u00e9 si estoy mal, compa\u00f1eros, pero eso es  lo que alcanzo a compartir con ustedes.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(\u2026)<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>-*-<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p><em> Hicimos muchas reuniones y tomamos muchos acuerdos, no s\u00f3lo una  vez se tom\u00f3 el acuerdo, vimos que es un trabajo pesado, no es f\u00e1cil  para hacerlo. \u00bfPor qu\u00e9? Porque as\u00ed como ya dije hace ratito, no tenemos  una gu\u00eda, no tenemos un libro d\u00f3nde ver, d\u00f3nde seguir; fuimos trabajando  con nuestro pueblo.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>-*-<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p><em> Compa\u00f1eros, esto es lo que estamos platicando, y ya no es mucho  lo que voy a completar. As\u00ed como dec\u00edamos sobre la forma de c\u00f3mo  queremos llevar el trabajo.\u00a0 Muchas veces no lo puede hacer s\u00f3lo la  Junta, aunque nos pasa en la mente, aunque nos llega el pensamiento,  tiene que ser a base de coordinaci\u00f3n con los consejos, comit\u00e9s <\/em><strong>[CCRI]<\/strong><em>, para que se pueda hacer esa idea de lo que pensamos, porque as\u00ed vimos en algunos casos.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Por ejemplo, hablamos de los cargos, las  responsabilidades, ah\u00ed vemos las dificultades que hay muchos trabajos  que hacer.\u00a0 El tiempo cuando yo estuve en el cargo vimos que a veces  fallan los elementos de la Junta y el trabajo existe; por ejemplo, en  ese tiempo no hab\u00edan choferes de la cl\u00ednica, la Junta tiene que ser  chofer, tiene que ser cocinero, tiene que ir a buscar le\u00f1a, hab\u00eda muchos  trabajos y el trabajo tambi\u00e9n dentro de la oficina tambi\u00e9n tiene que  hacer, tenemos que estudiar los pendientes, los trabajos que quedan  pendientes o algunos trabajos del municipio que no se han podido  resolver, como que no nos alcanza el tiempo.\u00a0 Ahorita veo, y eso nos  pas\u00f3 en la mente, que s\u00ed necesit\u00e1bamos de un apoyo, con otro chofer  aparte, porque a veces nos toca a media noche ir a traer un enfermo  urgente, tiene que ir a traer la Junta, llega a las tres de la ma\u00f1ana, a  las cuatro de la ma\u00f1ana. Eso nos pas\u00f3 en la mente pero no pudimos  solucionar, se presenta pero no se puede.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Un ejemplo en mi turno, de diagnosticar los  municipios, qu\u00e9 enfermedad m\u00e1s frecuente en los municipios y no se pudo  definir en la Junta, ni con la informaci\u00f3n.\u00a0 Tuve que pedir apoyo si se  puede hacer o no, y con el apoyo del mando, qu\u00e9 es lo que se quiere; se  pidi\u00f3 al municipio y algunos municipios no actu\u00f3 otra vez, algunos  municipios dieron esa respuesta, consultaron al pueblo qu\u00e9 enfermedad  m\u00e1s frecuente, porque hab\u00eda brote de tifoidea pero no hicieron los  consejos.\u00a0 Entonces todo el trabajo se hace cuando funciona bien, es  como una m\u00e1quina.\u00a0 Cuando una m\u00e1quina no funciona un pist\u00f3n o un  cilindro en el carro no sube las subidas, no tiene fuerza.\u00a0 Eso es lo  que nos pasa en nuestra autoridad, aunque la Junta piensa o quiere poner  su propuesta para aprobar con la asamblea a veces, muchas veces no se  puede y ah\u00ed queda as\u00ed.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Pero s\u00ed es una necesidad. Yo vi en ese tiempo hab\u00eda  mucho trabajo en ese a\u00f1o porque no hab\u00eda chofer. Ahorita veo que ya  est\u00e1n turnando choferes para las cl\u00ednicas, aparte su trabajo, \u00e9se no  trabaja en la Junta, est\u00e1 aparte lavando su carro, checando su llanta,  llenando su gasolina.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> Se est\u00e1 mejorando un poco m\u00e1s en ese paso y creo as\u00ed poco a  poco se va a ir mejorando, siempre y cuando vamos pensando y viendo cu\u00e1l  es las necesidades que se van presentando, porque el trabajo de la zona  o del municipio poco a poco se va incrementando.\u00a0 Poco a poco se va ir  participando m\u00e1s compa\u00f1eras porque se est\u00e1 naciendo el trabajo.\u00a0 Eso es  lo que vemos que es muy importante la coordinaci\u00f3n entre todos y  tomarnos en cuenta entre todos para poder sacar las propuestas y las  ideas nuevas de c\u00f3mo poder trabajar.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> La importancia es de no perder el contacto con los  pueblos porque en estos tiempos de trabajo, yo escucho que hay cosas que  se hicieron con an\u00e1lisis del pueblo y ahora se pueden hacer sin  consultar al pueblo, pueden cambiar unas letras sin que el pueblo lo  sepa, entonces eso es un problema tambi\u00e9n que podemos descontrolar el  pueblo, porque cuando el pueblo le ense\u00f1amos, le explicamos y cuando de  repente dejamos a un lado el pueblo, hablan, discuten.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Eso puede traer inconformidades o hablan mal de las  autoridades, y muchas veces se necesita explicarle al pueblo, como  dec\u00edamos hoy, la Junta tiene que estar claro con los siete principios. <\/em><strong>[Se refiere a los 7 principios del &#8220;mandar obedeciendo&#8221;, gu\u00eda de las Juntas de Buen Gobierno, que son: <\/strong><strong>Servir y no Servirse;<\/strong><strong> Representar y no Suplantar; Construir y no Destruir;<\/strong><strong> Obedecer y no Mandar;<\/strong><strong> Proponer y no Imponer;<\/strong><strong> Convencer y no Vencer;<\/strong><strong> Bajar y no Subir].<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Es convencer al pueblo y no vencer a la fuerza como  quiera una autoridad, tiene que explicarle la raz\u00f3n de modificar algunos  reglamentos o algunos acuerdos, se tiene que explicarle al pueblo;  porque si soy autoridad y ya no le explico porque como que no, \u00bfpero  lleg\u00f3 hasta el pueblo ese punto?\u00a0 Puede traer una inconformidad aunque  el pueblo lo entienda, pero con explicaciones es tratar de convencer y  no vencer a la fuerza, para que el pueblo no se desanime, no se  descontrola. Eso es lo que puedo explicar un poco m\u00e1s, porque de ah\u00ed  nacen las inconformidades y ah\u00ed el pueblo anda desmoralizado, por eso lo  digo, porque as\u00ed vi el problema.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Siempre con el pueblo hay que estar pegaditos para que no.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Hay pueblos tambi\u00e9n que quieren hacer una cosa sin la  mayor\u00eda, entonces tambi\u00e9n ese pueblo hay que explicarle que no se  puede, porque nos pas\u00f3 unos casos de esa forma.\u00a0 Hay pueblos que llegan  en la oficina y hasta elevan su voz en contra de las autoridades pero no  podemos aceptarlo porque depende de la mayor\u00eda.\u00a0 En eso hay que estar  claro, pero es explicar al pueblo y tratar de convencerlo, darle a  entender la raz\u00f3n de por qu\u00e9 se hacen estas cosas.\u00a0 Eso es lo que yo  opino, compa\u00f1eros, y eso es lo que trato de explicar de los siete  principios, es lo que entend\u00ed, lo que aprend\u00ed un poco.\u00a0 No aprend\u00ed mucho  porque s\u00f3lo trabaj\u00e9 tres a\u00f1os y poco a poco me fui dando cuenta, a la  mera hora no se puede hacer el trabajo f\u00e1cil porque nosotros entramos  como nuevos sin apoyo, pero ahora no, hay compa\u00f1eros que quedaron  todav\u00eda un a\u00f1o acompa\u00f1ando a los nuevos autoridades, como que s\u00ed m\u00e1s o  menos se apoya uno.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Pero cuando comenzamos no, as\u00ed nada m\u00e1s con el apoyo de los comit\u00e9s <\/em><strong>[CCRI]<\/strong><em> porque ellos s\u00ed estuvieron, con eso nos apoyamos y poco a poco nos  fuimos dando cuenta.\u00a0 Entend\u00ed un poco, es lo poco que pude explicar,  compa\u00f1eros.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em>(\u2026)<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> \u00bfC\u00f3mo fueron nombrados?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Fueron nombrados a trav\u00e9s de la asamblea, es un  ejemplo como estamos ahora. \u00a0En cada municipio convoc\u00f3 una asamblea toda  la base, entonces de manera directa escogieron a ese grupo de  compa\u00f1eros para hacer el trabajo de la autonom\u00eda.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> \u00bfQu\u00e9 trabajo ten\u00edan?, \u00bfqu\u00e9 trabajo van a hacer esos  compa\u00f1eros?, porque pr\u00e1cticamente no ten\u00edamos el conocimiento, tal vez  algunos s\u00ed ten\u00edan, pero una mayor\u00eda no tiene conocimiento, \u00bfqu\u00e9 vamos a  hacer?\u00a0 Vamos a trabajar en la autonom\u00eda, vamos a autogobernarnos, el  c\u00f3mo es la pregunta que surgi\u00f3, \u00bfqu\u00e9 es lo que vamos a hacer?\u00a0 Pues como  que nadie, como que no da, no sab\u00eda la respuesta, pero conforme pasaba  el tiempo, cuando ya estaban esas autoridades, entonces sal\u00edan los  problemas. Realmente hab\u00eda problemas en cada uno de nuestros pueblos, en  nuestros municipios.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> \u00bfCu\u00e1les son los problemas que en aquel tiempo enfrentaron los que fueron autoridad?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> En aquel tiempo el principal problema que se  enfrentaba es el alcoholismo, problema familiar, problemas entre vecinos  y algunos problemas agrarios.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> \u00bfEntonces qu\u00e9 hac\u00edan ese grupo de compa\u00f1eros cuando ya se presenta un problema?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Lo que ellos hac\u00edan es que discut\u00edan; primero viene  el quejoso y luego se escucha cu\u00e1l es el problema que tiene, se escucha,  cuando ya escucharon citan la otra parte, se escuchan las dos partes.\u00a0  Entonces lo que hac\u00eda ese grupo de compa\u00f1eros es escuchar, lo que hac\u00eda  es que esos hermanos que tienen problema se escuchaba primero qu\u00e9 es el  problema que tienen y a la vez se escuchaba qui\u00e9n tiene la raz\u00f3n.\u00a0 En  cuanto ya se vio que el quejoso tiene la raz\u00f3n entonces se tiene que  hablar con el otro hermano con el que tiene problema.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Lo que hac\u00edan las autoridades en aquel tiempo es que  daban ideas, o sea convenc\u00edan a que las dos partes lleguen a una  soluci\u00f3n pac\u00edfica sin tanto rollo.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> Eso es lo que hac\u00edan las autoridades igual en otros  tipos de problemas, en cuesti\u00f3n de agraria as\u00ed hac\u00edan, convenc\u00edan  tambi\u00e9n a los hermanos a que no se pelean, a que no se pelean por un  pedazo de tierra; si realmente al hermano le est\u00e1n quitando su tierra  pues tambi\u00e9n hay que darle la raz\u00f3n al otro que est\u00e1 quitando terreno  que no debe ser as\u00ed, lo que es, es.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> (\u2026)<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><em> <\/em><strong>-*-<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p><em> S\u00ed, eso s\u00ed, pero entonces mi pregunta es que se necesita hacer  un reglamento, \u00bfentonces qui\u00e9n propone la idea?, \u00bfd\u00f3nde nace la idea de  c\u00f3mo deber\u00eda ser un reglamento?, \u00bfqui\u00e9n es el que dice \u2018propongo esto\u2019?,  \u00bfd\u00f3nde nace la idea? y luego entonces. c\u00f3mo le hacen para que se junte  la voz del pueblo, porque si ya es propiamente de la Junta, \u00bfasume eso o  tiene que ser apoyado todav\u00eda por los compa\u00f1eros de la Comisi\u00f3n de  Informaci\u00f3n?, \u00bfo qui\u00e9n es el que dice que hay que hacer un reglamento  aqu\u00ed?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><strong>Respuesta de otro compa\u00f1ero: <\/strong><em>As\u00ed de  que haya una iniciativa meramente de compa\u00f1eras autoridades, de que  salga la iniciativa como para hacer un reglamento, ya as\u00ed de meras  compa\u00f1eras que est\u00e1n en funci\u00f3n de un cargo de autoridad, todav\u00eda no  existe eso. Se da entre compa\u00f1eras y compa\u00f1eros.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><em> No, compa, mi pregunta es Junta de Buen Gobierno, no  como compa\u00f1eras. \u00a0Como Junta de Buen Gobierno y es un ejemplo que estoy  dando, no es especialmente de reglamento o de ley. \u00a0Cuando ven que hay  una necesidad o hay un problema, por eso doy el ejemplo de un  reglamento, porque eso exige la relaci\u00f3n, porque no va a imponer una ley  la Junta de Buen Gobierno, entonces quisi\u00e9ramos que nos platiquen c\u00f3mo  es que hacen eso. \u00a0Porque aqu\u00ed entra el juego de democracia, entonces lo  que queremos entender, pues que no todo el tiempo, como nos dijeron  ustedes, no va a estar todo el tiempo los mandos insurgentes y tampoco,  entendemos que un d\u00eda tampoco va a estar todo el tiempo la Comisi\u00f3n de  Informaci\u00f3n, o sea el CCRI <\/em><strong>[Comit\u00e9 Clandestino Revolucionario Ind\u00edgena]. <\/strong><em>Entonces  c\u00f3mo ustedes, como Junta de Buen Gobierno, hacen que se eche a andar  una cosa que se necesita, ya sea ley, ya sea problema, de alg\u00fan asunto  que es necesario sacar adelante, un proyecto o lo que sea. \u00bfC\u00f3mo es que  relacionan Junta de Buen Gobierno, MAREZ <\/em><strong>[Municipios Aut\u00f3nomos Rebeldes Zapatistas]<\/strong><em>, autoridades y luego pueblos?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> O sea, c\u00f3mo se hace la democracia.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> <\/em>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>-*-<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">(Continuar\u00e1\u2026)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Doy fe.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Desde las monta\u00f1as del Sureste Mexicano.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">M\u00e9xico, Febrero del 2013.<\/p>\n<p>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::<\/p>\n<p>Escucha y ve los videos que acompa\u00f1an este texto:<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Alfredo Zitarrosa, maestro tal vez involuntario de una  generaci\u00f3n, oriental que lucha a\u00fan con coplas, vidalitas y milongas.\u00a0  Aqu\u00ed cantando \u201cAdagio en mi pa\u00eds\u201d y por pa\u00eds, es claro, se refiere a  cada rinc\u00f3n en los que muchos mundos abundan y redundan.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/K7p2OcJVItA\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Arturo Meza con la rola \u201cLa Rebeld\u00eda de la Luz\u201d.\u00a0 En una  parte de la canci\u00f3n, el maestro Meza menciona a cada uno de los pueblos  originarios que, en M\u00e9xico, resisten y luchan.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RwNlzi-fKD8\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2014\u2013<\/p>\n<p><strong><em>Daniel Viglietti, nuestro hermano y compa, lee un cuento  llamado \u201cLa Historia del Ruido y del Silencio\u201d que trata, en vano, de  explicar los silencios y las miradas zapatistas.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/M2vlUrD2XiU\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p><!--:--><!--:en--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Them and Us.<\/strong><\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>VII. \u2013 The Smallest of them All 2:<\/strong><\/h3>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong> How is it done?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>February 2013<\/p>\n<p>Note:\u00a0<em>Compas<\/em>, at another time (that is, if there is one) I  will explain to you how our EZLN is organized. For now, we don\u2019t want to  distract you from the \u201cSharing.\u201d We only want to clarify that you will  see something about an \u201cInformation Commission.\u201d This commission is made  up of\u00a0<em>compa\u00f1eras <\/em>and<em>compa\u00f1eros, comandantes <\/em>and\u00a0<em>comandantas, <\/em>(the\u00a0<strong>CCRI<\/strong>, or Indigenous Revolutionary Clandestine Committee), who are watching over the work of autonomy, supporting the\u00a0<em>Juntas de Buen Gobierno<\/em> (Good Government Councils), and who keep the Zapatista bases of support informed as to how everything is going.<\/p>\n<p>For now, then, more fragments from the Zapatista \u201csharing\u201d:<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-*-<\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p><em>This is how we work, then. The last question here asks: How do  you resolve problems? Yes there have been problems in the municipality.  Land problems, threats, problems with electricity, yes they exist, and I  think that these problems exist in all of the communities because it  isn\u2019t just bases of support who live together, we have even more  problems where we live in the official [ruling party] pueblos where our  enemies are, where those who govern are, where there are paramilitaries,  that\u2019s where we have these problems. But we have to figure out how to  govern ourselves, even though it is difficult to learn this because, as  other <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> have said, there is no instruction manual.  There is no a guide for this, there isn\u2019t anything written down anywhere  that tells us what to do; rather, we have to remember that this is how  our ancestors served when they weren\u2019t named by officials but rather by  the people, and they served the people, and they didn\u2019t get a salary.  Corruption and bad service began when salaries entered into the  equation.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>It is in this way, in the little that I have done in my pueblo  and in my municipality, that I have been able to serve, although as I  said, we continue to learn, we do not just know how to do things because  we are older. We continue learning with everyone [male and female]. I  think this is the purpose of the distinct levels [of government], and  the commissioners and agents, they each have a function but they lack a  way to resolve problems. In our case, we have to learn how to govern  because we are not trained in this, because we as <\/em>campesinos<em> are more focused on the countryside, our law is the machete, the file, and the <\/em>pozol<em><a href=\"http:\/\/enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx\/2013\/02\/27\/them-and-us-vii-the-smallest-of-them-all-2-how-is-it-done\/#i\">[i]<\/a><\/em><em> that we carry with us. So, I don\u2019t know if I\u2019m wrong <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em>, but this is what I have to share with you.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-*-<\/p>\n<p><em>We have had a lot of meetings and made many agreements, more than  just once we had to arrive at an agreement. We learned that this is  difficult work; it isn\u2019t easy to do. Why? Because as I said a little  while ago, we don\u2019t have a guide, there is no manual that we can look at  to see what to do, a guide we can follow; we learned through our work  with our people.<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-*-<\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p>Compa\u00f1eros<em>, this is what we have been talking about and I won\u2019t  add much more about the way we want to work. Many times the Junta cannot  do the work alone, even though that idea crosses our minds; rather, the  work must be based on coordination with the councils, and the  committees <\/em><strong>[<\/strong><strong>CCRI]<em>,<\/em><\/strong><em> so that we can carry out this idea of how we think things should work, this is what we have seen in some cases.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>For example, with respect to the <\/em>cargos<em>,<a href=\"http:\/\/enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx\/2013\/02\/27\/them-and-us-vii-the-smallest-of-them-all-2-how-is-it-done\/#ii\">[ii]<\/a> the  responsibilities, we see the difficulty of having lots of work to do.  When I had my cargo, we saw that sometimes there was work that the Junta  didn\u2019t have the capacity to cover. For example, at that time there  weren\u2019t drivers for the clinic, the Junta had to be the driver, it had  to be the cook, it had to fetch firewood; there were a lot of tasks and  on top of that we had all of the office work to do, like studying the  pending issues, pending tasks or municipal issues that hadn\u2019t been  resolved, and there just wasn\u2019t time for everything. Now I see, and this  crossed our minds then, that we needed support, another driver in that  case, because sometimes in the middle of the night we would have to go  and get someone who was seriously ill, and it was the Junta that had to  go, and would get back at three or four in the morning. This problem  crossed our minds but we couldn\u2019t find a solution, the situation  presented itself, but we couldn\u2019t resolve it.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>One example during my turn as Junta was that we wanted to  diagnose which illnesses were the most frequent in the municipalities.  We couldn\u2019t define this in the Junta, not even with the information we  had. I had to ask the <\/em>mando [local Zapatista authority]<em>, as is  required, as to whether or not I could go to the municipalities for this  information. So I asked the municipalities and some of the  municipalities again did not act, some gave this response \u2013 they had  consulted the people regarding which illness was most frequent and it  was typhoid, there had been a typhoid breakout, but they hadn\u2019t formed  the councils [we asked for]. So work gets done when the process  functions well, like a machine. When a machine doesn\u2019t function, or a  piston or a cylinder doesn\u2019t work, the car can\u2019t go up the hill; it  doesn\u2019t have the force. This is what happened with our authority,  although the Junta thinks or wants to make a proposal for approval in  the assembly, sometimes, many times, it doesn\u2019t get approval and doesn\u2019t  go anywhere.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>But yes, this is a necessity. I saw at that time that there was a  lot of work that year because we didn\u2019t have a driver. Now I see that  they are rotating drivers to tend to the clinics, and to do the related  work of washing the car, checking the tires, getting gasoline, the Junta  isn\u2019t responsible for that now.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>With this step, things are getting better, and I think that like  this, bit by bit, it will continue to get better, as long as we are  thinking and studying the necessities that arise, because the work in  the zone or the municipality is also growing little by little. Little by  little, more <\/em>compa\u00f1eras<em> will participate because the work is  growing. So we see here that what is really important is coordination  among everyone, taking everything into account, in order to develop  proposals and new ideas for how we can work.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> It is important not to lose contact with the people. These days I  hear sometimes that things for which the people were consulted at one  point can now be done without consultation, that they can change a few  words without the people knowing. This is a problem and can cause things  to run amok, because if we teach the people and explain to them, and  then all of the sudden leave them aside, they start to talk, to argue.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This can create disagreements, or cause them to speak badly of  the authorities, and many times we need to go back and explain to the  people. As we said earlier today, the Junta has to be very clear on the  seven principles. <\/em><strong>[This refers to the 7 principles of \u201clead  by obeying\u201d that guide the Juntas de Buen Gobierno: Serve, not Serve  yourself\/ Represent, not Supplant\/ Construct, not Destroy\/ Obey, not  Command\/ Propose, not Impose\/ Convince, not Defeat\/ Go Below, not Climb  Above.]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><em>The point is to convince the people, not to overcome them with  the force of authority, you have to explain to them the reason for  modifying certain rules or accords, you have to explain this to them;  because if I am an authority and I don\u2019t explain to them why we do or  don\u2019t do something, the question arises \u2013 was this point consulted with  the people? This could create a grievance even if the people understand  the decision, so explanations are meant to convince them and not to  overcome them by force, so that people do not get discouraged or  confused. This is what I wanted to explain a little more, because that\u2019s  where dissent begins and how people get demoralized, this is how I see  the problem.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>You must always be close to the people so that this does not happen.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>There are also people who might want to do something without  majority agreement, so you have to explain to them that it can\u2019t be  done, we have had a few cases like this. There are people who come to  the office and even raise their voice to the authorities, but we can\u2019t  accept their proposal because it depends on having majority approval. In  these cases one has to be clear, one has to explain to the people and  try to convince them, try to help them understand why we do things this  way. This is what I think, <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em>, and this is what I try  to explain about the seven principles, it is what I have understood,  what I have learned a little about. I have not learned much because I  only worked in that role for three years and little by little I realized  how things needed to be. At that moment we couldn\u2019t do the work easily  because we entered as new [authorities] without support, but now there  are<\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> who have stayed on for one more year to accompany the new authorities, so they have some support.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>But when we began it wasn\u2019t like that, we had only the support of the committees <\/em><strong>[<\/strong><strong>CCRI]<em>, <\/em><\/strong><em>they  were there, and with that support, gradually we were able to understand  things. I understood a little, and that is what I could explain to you <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em>.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>(\u2026)<\/em><em> <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>How were they chosen?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>They were chosen by the assembly; something like where we find  ourselves now. In each municipality we convoked an assembly of the  entire base and directly chose the group of <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> to do that would do the work of autonomy.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>What is their work? What work were these <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> going  to do? Because we had practically no knowledge about this, maybe a few  people had some, but the majority had no knowledge about this task, what  would we do? We would work on autonomy, we would govern ourselves, but  \u201chow\u201d is the question that arose, what is it exactly that we\u2019re going to  do? Well, no one knew the answer, but with the passage of time, with  these authorities in place, problems arose that they would have to  handle. There really were problems in each of our pueblos, in each of  our municipalities.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>What were the problems that the authorities faced at that time?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>At that time, the principal problems we faced were alcoholism,  domestic problems, problems between neighbors, and some agrarian  problems.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>So what did this group of <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> do when a problem presented itself?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>What they did was discuss it: first the person with the complaint  would come and they listened to that person\u2019s problem. When they had  listened, they would call in the other party, they listened to both  sides. So this group of <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> listened, first they  listened to what the problem was and who was right. When they could see  that the person with the complaint was right, then they had to talk with  the other <\/em>compa\u00f1ero<em> with whom the first had the problem.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>At that time, the authorities would try to give them ideas, that  is, convince both sides to arrive at a peaceful solution without so much  drama.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This is what the authorities did with other types of problems as well, in agrarian issues for instance, they would convince the <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> not to fight, not to fight over a piece of land. If one <\/em>compa\u00f1ero\u2019s<em> land was being taken by somebody else, then they had to explain to the <\/em>compa\u00f1ero<em> who was taking the land why this shouldn\u2019t be, what is right, is<\/em> right.<\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-*-<\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p><em>Yes, that is true, but my question then is if you need to make a  rule, who proposes the idea? Where does the idea come from regarding  what the rule should be? Who is it that says, \u2018I propose this\u2019? Where  does the idea come from? And so on. What do you do to unite the voice of  the people, if it is originally the Junta\u2019s idea? Does the Junta take  this on or do they still need the support of the <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> of the Information Commission? Or who is it that says that we need to create a rule here?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><strong>Another\u00a0<em>compa\u00f1ero\u2019s <\/em>response<\/strong>:\u00a0<em>What you have described, where an initiative comes directly from the <\/em>compa\u00f1eros<em> who  are authorities, an initiative for a rule comes directly from the  compa\u00f1eras who are in authority, that hasn\u2019t happened yet. It is  between <\/em>compa\u00f1eras<em> and compa\u00f1eros.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>No, <\/em>compa<em>, my question is as <\/em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<em>, not as <\/em>compa\u00f1eras<em>. As <\/em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<em>,  and this is just an example that I am giving, it doesn\u2019t have to be  specifically about a rule or law. When you see that there is a need or  there is a problem &#8211;\u00a0 I use the example of a rule because it requires a  relation \u2013 the <\/em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<em> isn\u2019t going to impose a  law, and so we want to discuss how it is that you handle this. Because  it is here that democracy enters into play, and this is what we want to  understand. Because as you told us, there won\u2019t always be insurgent  leaders present, and, as we understand, the Information Commission, or  the CCRI <\/em>[Indigenous Revolutionary Clandestine Committee]<em> won\u2019t always be there either. So you as the <\/em>Juntas de Buen Gobierno<em>,  how do you approach something that needs to be handled, a law or a  problem, some issue that needs to move forward, a project or whatever it  may be. How do the <\/em>Juntas de Buen Gobierno<em>, the MAREZ <\/em><strong>[Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion]<em>,<\/em><\/strong><em>the<strong> <\/strong>authorities and the people relate?<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>That is, how is democracy made?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>(\u2026)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">-*-<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">To be continued\u2026<em> <\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">I testify.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">From the mountains of the Mexican Southeast.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Subcomandante Insurgente Marcos.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\">Mexico, February 2013<\/p>\n<p>:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::<\/p>\n<p>Listen to and watch the videos that accompany this text.<\/p>\n<p>Alfredo Zitarrosa, perhaps involuntary teacher of a generation,  oriental who still fights with the coplas, vidalitas, and milongas. Here  he is singing \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=K7p2OcJVItA\" target=\"_blank\">Adagio en mi pais<\/a>,\u201d and by country, of course, he refers to every corner of the many worlds that abound and redound.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/K7p2OcJVItA\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Arturo Meza with the song \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=RwNlzi-fKD8\" target=\"_blank\">La Rebeld\u00eda de la Luz<\/a>.\u201d In one part of the song, master Meza mentions each one of the original peoples who, in Mexico, resist and struggle.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/RwNlzi-fKD8\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<p>Daniel Viglietti, our brother and compa, reads a story called \u201c<a href=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=M2vlUrD2XiU\" target=\"_blank\">La Historia del Ruido y del Silencio<\/a>,\u201d which tries, in vain, to explain the Zapatista silences and the Zapatista gaze.<\/p>\n<p><iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"480\" height=\"360\" src=\"http:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/M2vlUrD2XiU\" frameborder=\"0\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/p>\n<div>\n<hr size=\"1\" \/>\n<div>\n<p><a name=\"i\">[i]<\/a> <em>Pozol<\/em> is a highly nutritious drink made  of the dough from ground corn mixed with water. It is commonly consumed  in the Mexican countryside as a midday meal.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div>\n<p><a name=\"ii\">[ii]<\/a> <em>Cargo<\/em> is like a combination of duty and task, or charge; it also refers to a position of responsibility.<\/p>\n<p>****************************<br \/>\nTraducci\u00f3n del Kilombo Intergal\u00e1ctico.<br \/>\n****************************<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!--:--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>ELLOS Y NOSOTROS. VII.- L@s m\u00e1s peque\u00f1@s 2. 2.-\u00bfC\u00f3mo se hace? Febrero del 2013. Nota:\u00a0 Compas, en otra oportunidad (si es que llega a haberla) les explicaremos c\u00f3mo es que est\u00e1 organizado nuestro EZLN.\u00a0 Ahora no queremos distraerlos de la \u201cCompartici\u00f3n\u201c.\u00a0 S\u00f3lo les aclaramos que van a ver algo de una \u201cComisi\u00f3n de Informaci\u00f3n\u201d.\u00a0 Esta [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[183],"tags":[644,926],"class_list":["post-7685","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-blog","tag-comunicados-ezln","tag-ezln"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7685","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=7685"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/7685\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=7685"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=7685"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=7685"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}