{"id":46767,"date":"2023-11-11T14:10:22","date_gmt":"2023-11-11T20:10:22","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=46767"},"modified":"2023-11-11T18:00:28","modified_gmt":"2023-11-12T00:00:28","slug":"entrevista-con-fuad-abu-saif-en-palestina-sobre-gaza","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=46767","title":{"rendered":"[:es]Entrevista con Fuad Abu Saif en Palestina sobre Gaza[:en]Interview with Fuad Abu Saif in Palestine about Gaza[:]"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[:es]<\/p>\n<h3 style=\"text-align: center;\">Estamos cansados de estar bajo ocupaci\u00f3n por 75 a\u00f1os<\/h3>\n<p>Escucha la entrevista en ingl\u00e9s aqu\u00ed:<br \/>\n[podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Interview-UAWC-Palestine.mp3[\/podcast]<\/p>\n<p>Desde hace m\u00e1s de un mes, Israel ha bombardeado Gaza por aire, mar y tierra, en respuesta al ataque realizado por Ham\u00e1s el 7 de octubre con el objetivo de acabar con el bloqueo impuesto a Gaza por 17 a\u00f1os, que ha causado la muerte de miles de personas, la mayor\u00eda ni\u00f1os. Alrededor de 1,400 personas murieron en el ataque, aunque <a href=\"https:\/\/www.middleeastmonitor.com\/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative\/\">reportes recientes desde Israel<\/a> indican que es muy probable que muchos, si no la mayor\u00eda de los muertos, fueron v\u00edctimas del fuego indiscriminado por parte del mismo ej\u00e9rcito israel\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>La ofensiva de Israel contra Gaza ha matado alrededor de 11 mil personas hasta ahora, de las cuales al menos 4 mil 500 son ni\u00f1os. En violaci\u00f3n a las legislaciones internacionales y las convenciones de derechos humanos, Israel contin\u00faa masacrando a la poblaci\u00f3n civil indiscriminadamente, atacando hospitales, escuelas, ambulancias, refugios, mezquitas, hogares, edificios y campos de refugiados, adem\u00e1s de la infraestructura. Desde el 7 de octubre, Israel ha atacado por lo menos 12 mil blancos con 25 mil toneladas de explosivos, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/news\/longform\/2023\/11\/9\/israel-attacks-on-gaza-weapons-and-scale-of-destruction\">seg\u00fan Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor<\/a>, lo que equivale a dos bombas nucleares. Enormes manifestaciones en todo el mundo han condenado lo que a todas luces es un proyecto genocida de limpieza \u00e9tnica por parte de Israel, cometido no s\u00f3lo por medio de las masacres directas, sino tambi\u00e9n del hambre y la privaci\u00f3n, cortando el acceso a los alimentos y al agua limpia para una poblaci\u00f3n de 2.5 millones de palestinos.<\/p>\n<p>Desde Cisjordania, hablamos con Fuad Abu Saif, director general de la Uni\u00f3n de Comunidades de Trabajo Agr\u00edcola (UAWC), quien explic\u00f3 la situaci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\" align=\"center&quot;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46772\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: El Mundo<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>Gracias, Fuad, por estar con nosotros. Nos gustar\u00eda saber c\u00f3mo est\u00e1 la situaci\u00f3n en Gaza en este momento, pero antes quisi\u00e9ramos saber c\u00f3mo ha sido la vida en Gaza los \u00faltimos 16 a 17 a\u00f1os, desde que Israel cerr\u00f3 las fronteras en 2006.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>La historia de Gaza, Cisjordania y toda Palestina no comenz\u00f3 el 7 de octubre ni hace 16 o 17 a\u00f1os; comenz\u00f3 hace 75 a\u00f1os con la ocupaci\u00f3n israelita de Palestina en 1948. En 2006 se realizaron elecciones nacionales en Palestina y Ham\u00e1s gan\u00f3 en Gaza. De inmediato, Israel impuso un bloqueo en todo Gaza, lo cual ha hecho la vida muy dif\u00edcil. Gaza es un \u00e1rea muy peque\u00f1a de 665 km<sup>2<\/sup>, rodeada por todos lados por Israel y el mar al otro lado, con una poblaci\u00f3n de 2.5 millones, todos sitiados. Eso quiere decir que nadie puede entrar o salir sin pasar por la frontera con Israel. Prohibieron la entrada a Gaza de unos 100 diferentes materiales, lo que significa que las necesidades b\u00e1sicas no pueden entrar. Y desde luego no hay aeropuertos o cualquier otra conexi\u00f3n con el mundo exterior, excepto por Egipto, que tiene acuerdos con Israel y tambi\u00e9n cerr\u00f3 su frontera.<\/p>\n<p>Trabajamos con Gaza de cerca porque nuestra oficina tiene la responsabilidad de estar en contacto con la gente all\u00e1 diariamente. Miles de personas han muerto porque no hay suficiente atenci\u00f3n en los hospitales y no hay materiales, combustible o electricidad. Desde antes del 7 de octubre, s\u00f3lo hab\u00eda electricidad durante cuatro horas por d\u00eda. El agua est\u00e1 contaminada, no hay agua limpia en Gaza, y nadie puede entrar o salir desde hace 16 o 17 a\u00f1os. La vida era imposible\u2026<\/p>\n<p><em>Hay quienes describen a Gaza como la mayor prisi\u00f3n al aire libre del mundo\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Es m\u00e1s que una prisi\u00f3n al aire libre. Israel inici\u00f3 cinco guerras antes de \u00e9sta en estos 16 a\u00f1os, matando a miles de palestinos y arrestando a muchos m\u00e1s. Muchos palestinos han muerto por entrar a sus tierras cerca de la frontera entre Israel y Gaza\u2026 quien se acerque despu\u00e9s de las 6 pm es asesinado. Cientos de agricultores murieron porque llegaron tarde a sus tierras y los israelitas los atacaron. Muchos manifestantes que intentaron protestar contra la situaci\u00f3n fueron asesinados o heridos por organizar manifestaciones cerca de la frontera con Israel; esto ha sucedido desde 2014. Las guerras significan que las operaciones militares pueden suceder en cualquier momento, y esto ha sucedido cinco veces sin ninguna raz\u00f3n. En los \u00faltimos 16 a\u00f1os, Israel inici\u00f3 estas operaciones militares sin ser atacados desde Gaza.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u00bfC\u00f3mo est\u00e1 la situaci\u00f3n ahora despu\u00e9s del 7 de octubre?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>El 7 de octubre Israel inici\u00f3 esta guerra genocida en Gaza. El n\u00famero de v\u00edctimas crece de manera asustadora, hasta anoche eran casi 11 mil palestinos asesinados en un mes y m\u00e1s de 55 mil heridos por los ataques a\u00e9reos contra civiles, hogares e infraestructura en Gaza. El problema es que m\u00e1s de 69% de las v\u00edctimas son ni\u00f1os y mujeres. La mayor\u00eda de la gente en Gaza son j\u00f3venes y ni\u00f1os, m\u00e1s del 60%, por lo que todas las casas est\u00e1n llenas de ni\u00f1os, y sin alertar a nadie bombardean casas y edificios en todo Gaza. Como dije, es un \u00e1rea muy peque\u00f1a. No se puede describir la vida all\u00ed. No hay ning\u00fan lugar seguro en Gaza, y adem\u00e1s del bloqueo impuesto por Israel desde hace 17 a\u00f1os, ahora impusieron otro tipo de bloqueo: cortaron toda la electricidad desde el 10 de octubre. Cortaron acceso a la alimentaci\u00f3n y est\u00e1n utilizando el hambre en esta guerra contra la poblaci\u00f3n civil palestina. Cortaron los caminos, el agua; no hay comida, agua, ning\u00fan lugar seguro\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46773\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"471\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og-350x183.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og-768x402.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: Mahmud Hams, AFP<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>\u00bfC\u00f3mo sobrevive la gente con esta falta de alimentos, agua y movilidad?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Como organizaci\u00f3n humanitaria, desde el inicio de la guerra iniciamos un programa para apoyar el acceso a la alimentaci\u00f3n. No hay alimentos provenientes del exterior, dependemos de los pocos alimentos que hay en Gaza. Gaza es un \u00e1rea agr\u00edcola. Hay dos diferentes lugares. Uno es la zona de amortiguaci\u00f3n, una gran extensi\u00f3n de tierra cerca de la frontera con Israel, la cual est\u00e1 bloqueada por Israel y nadie puede acercarse. Hay tambi\u00e9n un \u00e1rea peque\u00f1a dentro de Gaza, lo que llamamos los huertos caseros, donde la gente planta alrededor de sus casas. \u00c9sta es la \u00fanica fuente de alimentos que tienen. Y hay algunos proveedores grandes de alimentos en Gaza que ten\u00edan alimentos y materiales desde antes de la guerra. Estamos en contacto con ellos y en los \u00faltimos tres o cuatro d\u00edas los alimentos se est\u00e1n acabando. Hay muy poco alimento y se est\u00e1 racionando entre las familias: esto para ma\u00f1ana, esto para pasado ma\u00f1ana. Uno de ellos me dijo: \u201cNosotros no tenemos problema con eso, pero es dif\u00edcil decirle a los ni\u00f1os que no tenemos comida y s\u00f3lo podemos comer una vez al d\u00eda, que a veces es s\u00f3lo pan o arroz; se los decimos y empiezan a llorar, no lo entienden, pero es la \u00fanica manera de enfrentar el hambre\u201d. Lo mismo con el agua. Por ejemplo, en Rafah, en el sur de Gaza, a donde casi 900 mil palestinos tuvieron que desplazarse, huyendo del norte, m\u00e1s el casi mill\u00f3n de personas que ya viv\u00edan all\u00ed. Tienen un solo pozo y tienen que esperar cuatro o cinco horas para llenar un recipiente de 30 a 40 litros, y si tienen suerte, tienen agua, si no, hay que regresar al d\u00eda siguiente. Tratan de no usar el ba\u00f1o, hay un acuerdo que s\u00f3lo se usa una vez al d\u00eda. Las historias que nos llegan son muy duras, sobre todo para los ni\u00f1os. Y claro que no hay leche, y el pan a veces est\u00e1 tan duro que tienen que mezclarlo con agua para que los ni\u00f1os se lo puedan comer.<\/p>\n<p>Han dejado entrar algunos camiones, unos 150 desde el inicio. Algunos vienen cargados con s\u00f3lo 30% a 40% de su capacidad, y la mayor\u00eda de los productos est\u00e1n caducados. Otros traen cosas que la gente no necesita ahora, como ropa.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46774\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: Said Khatib, AFP<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>Hace unas horas el EZLN public\u00f3 un comunicado. Te quiero leer una parte:<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote><p><em>La ni\u00f1ez palestina asesinada no es una v\u00edctima colateral, es el objetivo principal de Netanyahu, siempre lo fue.\u00a0Esa guerra no es para eliminar a Ham\u00e1s.\u00a0Es para matar el futuro.\u00a0Ham\u00e1s ser\u00e1 s\u00f3lo la v\u00edctima colateral.\u00a0El gobierno de Israel ya perdi\u00f3 la batalla medi\u00e1tica, porque resulta que el genocidio, aunque se disfrace de venganza, no tiene tantos seguidores como cre\u00edan.\u00a0Ahora es capaz de la crueldad m\u00e1s inimaginable.\u00a0Quien tal vez s\u00ed podr\u00eda detener la masacre es\u2026 el pueblo de Israel.<\/em><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><em>Eso me lleva a un par de preguntas. La primera tiene que ver con las verdaderas intenciones de esta barbarie, apoyada por los Estados Unidos, Inglaterra y otros pa\u00edses europeos. \u00bfCu\u00e1les son los verdaderos intereses econ\u00f3micos y geopol\u00edticos en juego, y cu\u00e1les son las verdaderas intenciones de Israel y sus aliados?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Algunos hechos son obvios para todos. No s\u00e9 c\u00f3mo el mundo puede aceptar esto, escuchar y no hacer nada real contra este genocidio contra civiles y sobre todo ni\u00f1os. Israel no es s\u00f3lo Netanyahu. Todos los l\u00edderes israelitas, y m\u00e1s a\u00fan los \u201cciviles\u201d, han declarado desde el inicio que no debe sobrevivir ning\u00fan civil en Gaza, que hay que matarlos a todos. Hace unos d\u00edas, 100 doctores firmaron una petici\u00f3n exigi\u00e9ndole al gobierno israel\u00ed que destruya Gaza por completo, incluyendo a los ni\u00f1os. Yo creo que con el apoyo incondicional de los Estados Unidos y otros gobiernos occidentales, est\u00e1 claro que quieren cambiar toda la regi\u00f3n y reestructurarla en beneficio de Israel. Desde el primer momento, fueron a Israel a expresar su solidaridad y concordaron con el proyecto israel\u00ed de desplazar a los palestinos de Gaza y empujarlos a Rafah primero y despu\u00e9s de Rafah al desierto de Sina\u00ed. Hasta ayer, los israelitas hab\u00edan matado 175 palestinos en Cisjordania, donde no est\u00e1 Ham\u00e1s, donde no hay ninguna operaci\u00f3n militar. Eso significa que est\u00e1n preparando otro desplazamiento hacia Jordania; Israel ya empez\u00f3 a hablar de este proyecto de empujar a la poblaci\u00f3n de Gaza al Sina\u00ed y a la de Cisjordania a Jordania. Es un proyecto espeluznante, limpieza \u00e9tnica en Cisjordania y genocidio en Gaza, con todo el apoyo de los gobiernos europeos y de los Estados Unidos, y desde luego los palestinos no lo permitir\u00e1n. Lo que sucede en Gaza y la forma en que la gente est\u00e1 resistiendo es un ejemplo, pero es muy peligroso para todos. No hay ning\u00fan lugar para la ley internacional ahora, y est\u00e1n alentando a Israel a ignorarla. Est\u00e1n atacando a Siria de nuevo, a L\u00edbano\u2026 hacen lo que quieren con el apoyo de Europa y de los Estados Unidos\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46775\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"770\" height=\"513\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3.jpg 770w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: Mahmud Hams, AFP<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>Y desde luego esto sucede en el contexto de una crisis de los Estados Unidos como potencia mundial, mientras Rusia, China y BRICS se fortalecen y amenazan la hegemon\u00eda occidental.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Los Estados Unidos ven a Israel como una importante base militar. Hay gas en Gaza, grandes cantidades descubiertas en 1996 pero m\u00e1s a\u00fan en 2000. O sea que no s\u00f3lo usan a Israel como base militar. Eso explica por qu\u00e9 Biden visit\u00f3 a Israel al d\u00eda siguiente y pronunci\u00f3 un discurso lleno de mentiras, est\u00e1 claro que est\u00e1 mintiendo, no hay ninguna evidencia que apoye sus declaraciones. Saben que los palestinos no tienen verdadero poder, no tenemos tanques, armas\u2026 tenemos recursos naturales. Y se trata tambi\u00e9n del acceso al mar desde Gaza, hemos sabido de este plan desde hace d\u00e9cadas, y la \u00fanica forma de lograrlo es desplazando al pueblo de Gaza.<\/p>\n<p><em>En este contexto, \u00bfqu\u00e9 papel juegan los otros pa\u00edses \u00e1rabes?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Algunos son muy d\u00e9biles y otros apoyan a Israel. Hablo de los gobiernos. Entre Gaza y Egipto no hay israelitas, pero la frontera est\u00e1 cerrada. Desde 2006, el gobierno egipcio cerr\u00f3 la \u00fanica v\u00eda de acceso al mundo exterior para el pueblo de Gaza. O sea que est\u00e1n contribuyendo en la pr\u00e1ctica. Egipto es el mayor pa\u00eds \u00e1rabe y puede cambiar todo. Pero hacen exactamente lo contrario. Los otros pa\u00edses \u00e1rabes est\u00e1n amenazados por los Estados Unidos, que ha tra\u00eddo todo su poder y tropas al mar, para advertirles que si se mueven o muestran su apoyo, habr\u00e1 consecuencias en sus propios pa\u00edses. Son demasiado d\u00e9biles y fragmentados y los Estados Unidos los atrajo a su lado, y a veces hasta condenan a Palestina y apoyan a Israel.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u00bfQu\u00e9 salidas ves? El presidente Biden dijo que esto no va a parar, y Netanyahu descarta toda posibilidad de un cese al fuego. \u00bfA d\u00f3nde va todo esto?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Es dif\u00edcil hablar del futuro entre esos criminales y ese tipo de pensamiento de Biden y otros. Me espanta que todos vean a la gente morir de esa forma despu\u00e9s de 35, 40 d\u00edas de guerra y que lo justifiquen diciendo que hay que seguir atacando para evitar que Ham\u00e1s se reconstruya; pero eso no es verdad. No quieren un cese al fuego porque quieren mantener la presi\u00f3n sobre la gente para que se desplace al sur. La ciudad de Gaza est\u00e1 cercada ahora y siguen matando y atacando a la gente y la gente empieza a desplazarse al sur. Eso es lo que hizo Israel en 1948, cuando atac\u00f3 a m\u00e1s de 500 pueblos palestinos y los sigui\u00f3 atacando hasta que evacuaron y se desplazaron a Jordania, L\u00edbano, Siria, etc., volvi\u00e9ndose refugiados. Est\u00e1n haciendo lo mismo ahora. Es claramente un pensamiento genocida, y todo mundo lo ve como si fuera una pel\u00edcula. Tengo miedo de que, con la luz verde de los Estados Unidos, seguir\u00e1n matando, y las cosas se pondr\u00e1n cada vez m\u00e1s dif\u00edciles en Gaza\u2026 y todo es posible, para ser franco. No les importa el n\u00famero de v\u00edctimas. No estoy optimista, tengo miedo, todos tenemos miedo de que esto contin\u00fae y se vuelva algo normal y que despu\u00e9s de algunas semanas ya nadie hable al respecto.<\/p>\n<p><em>Sin embargo, hay una indignaci\u00f3n y apoyo sin precedentes en todo el mundo, con grandes manifestaciones, incluyendo a muchas comunidades jud\u00edas en muchos pa\u00edses que dicen no, no en nuestro nombre, no aceptaremos este genocidio. \u00bfVes alguna esperanza en este movimiento mundial en defensa de Palestina?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Los palestinos vemos dos fuentes de esperanza en toda esta oscuridad. Una de ellas es la resiliencia del pueblo palestino en Cisjordania y en Gaza. En Cisjordania las cosas tambi\u00e9n est\u00e1n muy dif\u00edciles, impusieron un bloqueo, est\u00e1n dispar\u00e1ndonos y mat\u00e1ndonos\u2026 La resiliencia del pueblo palestino es una esperanza y es fuerte.<\/p>\n<p>La otra esperanza, s\u00ed, es ese movimiento en todo el mundo. Si contin\u00faa o crece, podr\u00eda\u2026 por ejemplo, en Francia e incluso en los Estados Unidos, empezamos a ver un cambio muy peque\u00f1o, en palabras, no un cambio real en su posici\u00f3n, pero est\u00e1n empezando a hablar de un cese al fuego, porque hace una o dos semanas no se hablaba de eso. En Francia, lo que Macron dijo en Jerusal\u00e9n fue que deber\u00eda haber una alianza contra Ham\u00e1s. Y despu\u00e9s de esas grandes movilizaciones, empezaron a exigir un cese al fuego de manera muy abierta y p\u00fablica. Entonces, es una esperanza. Pero es la \u00fanica esperanza. No hay otras opciones para que esto termine.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46776\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nFoto: Hollie Adams, Reuters<\/p>\n<p><em>Puesto que est\u00e1s en Cisjordania, \u00bfnos puedes contar c\u00f3mo est\u00e1 la situaci\u00f3n all\u00e1?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Est\u00e1 muy dif\u00edcil y hay mucho riesgo. No podemos salir de nuestras ciudades o pueblos, cercaron todo. Hay rejas en todas las ciudades y pueblos palestinos. No se puede entrar o salir sin pasar por ellas y por los puntos de control. Si te acercas, te pueden disparar, y muchos palestinos han muerto as\u00ed. Seg\u00fan los acuerdos de Oslo, Cisjordania se dividi\u00f3 en tres \u00e1reas. El \u00e1rea C abarca 63% de Cisjordania y contiene la mayor\u00eda de la tierra y los recursos. Desde el 7 de octubre, han estado desplazando a la gente de esa \u00e1rea, que es muy grande y donde se espera poder construir el Estado palestino en el futuro. Los colonos atacan las comunidades palestinas en el \u00e1rea C todos los d\u00edas; atacan las casas, las queman, queman los ranchos, se roban las pertenencias, tumban \u00e1rboles. Estamos en plena estaci\u00f3n de las olivas, que para los palestinos es como un carnaval, pero nadie puede cosechar sus olivas porque los colonos se las roban o tumban los \u00e1rboles o le disparan a los agricultores palestinos que intentan llegar a sus tierras. La semana pasada, por ejemplo, cerca de Nablus mataron algunos palestinos que cosechaban sus olivas.<\/p>\n<p>Este mes mataron a 175 palestinos; s\u00f3lo ayer mataron a 16 en el campo de refugiados de Yen\u00edn. Hay 5 mil 500 palestinos en la c\u00e1rcel, detenidos en los \u00faltimos 20 a\u00f1os; pero s\u00f3lo este mes, 2 mil 500 palestinos fueron arrestados.<\/p>\n<p>Todos los puntos de control est\u00e1n cerrados. Incluso la comida aqu\u00ed, aunque tenemos m\u00e1s espacios y proveedores, pero si contin\u00faa as\u00ed, habr\u00e1 escasez. Y pueden cortarnos el agua y la electricidad en cualquier momento.<\/p>\n<p><em>\u00bfHay algo m\u00e1s que te gustar\u00eda decirle a nuestro p\u00fablico?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Creo que el \u00fanico mensaje que todos los palestinos tenemos es que necesitamos nuestra libertad. Estamos cansados de estar bajo ocupaci\u00f3n por 75 a\u00f1os. Necesitamos que nuestros hijos tengan esperanza y un futuro como todos los ni\u00f1os del mundo. Necesitamos estar seguros en nuestras tierras, nuestros hogares y nuestros campos. No queremos m\u00e1s campos de refugiados palestinos, queremos que los refugiados regresen, queremos tener un pa\u00eds independiente y un futuro, queremos tener soberan\u00eda sobre nuestros recursos, como los israelitas, como todos. No somos diferentes de los israelitas, somos tan humanos como todo mundo. No queremos que muera m\u00e1s gente. Queremos que esto pare, este ciclo de guerras, porque esta es la sexta en 15 a\u00f1os en Gaza. Debemos parar esto para siempre. Odiamos ver la hipocres\u00eda de los pa\u00edses occidentales y de los Estados Unidos al apoyar y participar directamente en el asesinato de los palestinos. Esto debe acabar. Tenemos que respetar los derechos humanos y la ley internacional, no se puede aplicar a los palestinos, a las v\u00edctimas, y dejar que Israel haga lo que quiera. Somos luchadores por la dignidad, por la libertad. No luchamos para matar o para odiar. Eso es lo que quiero que todo el mundo sepa, y que se unan a los palestinos para lograrlo. Se trata de valores humanos, no s\u00f3lo palestinos. Luchar contra la ocupaci\u00f3n aqu\u00ed y en cualquier lugar es un valor humano fundamental en todo el mundo. La historia est\u00e1 llena de casos como \u00e9ste, pero todos terminaron, y necesitamos que \u00e9ste termine tambi\u00e9n y que los palestinos sean libres.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46777\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: El Mundo<\/small><\/p>\n<p>[:en]Listen to the interview:<br \/>\n[podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Interview-UAWC-Palestine.mp3[\/podcast]<\/p>\n<p>For over a month now, Israel has been bombing Gaza through air, sea, and land, in retaliation for the attack by Hamas on October 7, aimed at lifting the deadly blockade imposed on Gaza for 17 years, which has led to thousands of deaths, most of whom are children. Around 1,400 people died in that attack, although <a href=\"https:\/\/www.middleeastmonitor.com\/20231030-report-7-october-testimonies-strikes-major-blow-to-israeli-narrative\/\">recent reports from Israel<\/a> indicate that there is a strong possibility that many, if not most of the dead were killed by indiscriminate Israeli fire that day.<\/p>\n<p>Israel\u2019s offensive against Gaza has killed close to 11,000 people so far, at least 4,500 of whom are children. In violation of international law and all human rights conventions, Israel continues to massacre the civilian population indiscriminately, attacking hospitals, schools, ambulances, shelters, mosques, homes, buildings, and refugee camps, as well as infrastructure. Since October 7, Israel has hit at least 12,000 targets with 25,000 tons of explosives, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.aljazeera.com\/news\/longform\/2023\/11\/9\/israel-attacks-on-gaza-weapons-and-scale-of-destruction\">according to Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor<\/a>\u2014the equivalent to two nuclear bombs. Massive demonstrations all around the world have condemned what is evidently Israel\u2019s ethnic cleansing and genocidal project, not only committed through direct massacres, but also employing hunger and deprivation, cutting off access to food and clean water for a population of 2.5 million Palestinians.<\/p>\n<p>From the West Bank, we spoke with Fuad Abu Saif, General Director of the Union of Agricultural Work Communities (UAWC), who explained the situation.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46772\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza1-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: El Mundo<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>Thank you for being with us, Fuad. We would like to know what the situation is like in Gaza right now, but before we do that, we would like to know what life was like in Gaza for the last 16 or 17 years, since the borders were closed by Israel in 2006.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>The story of Gaza, the West Bank and all of Palestine started not just on October 7 or even 16 or 17 years ago; it started 75 years ago when Israel occupied Palestine in 1948. In 2006, there was a national election in Palestine and Hamas won. Immediately, Israel imposed a siege in all of Gaza, which has made the life of people there very difficult. Gaza is a very small area: 665 km<sup>2<\/sup> surrounded on all sides by Israel and the sea on the other side, and about 2.5 million people living there, all of them under siege. That means that there is no way to go in or out without passing through the Israeli border. They forbid about 100 different materials from entering Gaza, which means that all the fundamental and basic needs for life are prohibited from entering Gaza. And of course, there is no airport or other connection with the outside world, except through Egypt, which is also in agreement with Israel and also blocked that border.<\/p>\n<p>We work closely with Gaza because our office is responsible for being in daily touch with people there. Thousands of people have died because there is not enough care in the hospitals, no materials, no fuel, no electricity. Even before October 7, electricity was only available for four hours a day. The water is contaminated, there is no clean water in Gaza, and no one can go in or out of Gaza for 16 or 17 years. So life was impossible\u2026<\/p>\n<p><em>Some people have described Gaza as the largest open-air prison in the world\u2026<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It\u2019s not just an open-air prison. Israel waged five wars before this one during these 16 years, killed thousands of Palestinians and arrested many others. Thousands of Palestinians were killed because they entered their land in the area near the border between Israel and Gaza\u2026 everyone entering after 6 pm, they shoot them. Hundreds of farmers lost their life because they were late in their farm and the Israelis attacked them. Protesters who tried to protest and condemn this situation in the area were killed or injured because they organized a kind of march near the Israeli border\u2014this has happened since 2014. The wars mean that military operations can happen at any moment, and it has happened five times without any reason to justify it. In the past 16 years, Israel initiated these military operations without having any attacks from Gaza.<\/p>\n<p><em>What is it like now on the ground after October 7?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Since October 7, Israel started this genocide war in Gaza. The number of victims is increasing in a crazy way, until last night it was almost 11,000 Palestinians killed in one month, more than 55,000 injured by the Israeli air strikes against civilians, homes, and infrastructure in Gaza. The problem is that more than 69% are children and women. The way they are killing cannot be described. They bomb houses full of civilians and children. As you may know, the majority of people in Gaza are young and children, more than 60%. So all houses are full of children, and without alerting anyone, they bomb them, the houses, the buildings and everywhere in Gaza. Like I said, it is a very small area. Life cannot be described. There\u2019s no safe place in all of Gaza, and in addition Israel, beside the siege imposed for 17 years, they imposed a different kind of siege\u2014they totally cut off electricity on October 10. They cut off food and are using starvation in this war against civilian Palestinians. They cut roads, cut water, there is no food, no water, no safe place\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46773\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"471\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og-350x183.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/crisis-gaza-israel-294021_og-768x402.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: Mahmud Hams, AFP<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>How are people surviving with this lack of food, water, and mobility?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>As a humanitarian organization, we launched from the beginning of this war a program to support people to have access to food. No food is available from the outside, we\u2019re relying on the limited food inside Gaza. Gaza is an agricultural area. There are two different places: the buffer zone, which is a huge land area next to the Israeli border, where Israel isolated that area from the people and farmers, so no one can have access to that area. There is another small area, which is the land inside Gaza itself, where there is what we call the home gardens, where people plant around their homes. This is the only source of food they have. Plus there are some big suppliers in Gaza who had already stored food and materials before the war. We are in contact with them and they have almost run out in the last three or four days. They are managing with the very little food, and are scheduling between the families: this for tomorrow, this for after tomorrow. And as one of them told me: \u201cLook, for us, we have no problem, but it\u2019s difficult for me to describe that to my children, that we don\u2019t have food and we have only one meal, which might sometimes be only bread or rice, and we explain this to the children and they start crying, they don\u2019t understand what that means, but this is the only way that we are managing this starvation.\u201d Water is the same\u2026 as an example, in Rafah, which is in the south of Gaza, where almost 900,000 Palestinians were forced to move from the north, plus the close to 1 million already living in that area. They have one well working manually because there is no electricity, and sometimes you have to wait four or five hours to fill your container with 30 to 40 liters, and if you are lucky you have water; if not, you come back the next day. They try not to use the bathroom, for example, this is an agreement, only one time per day. The stories coming from them are very hard, especially for children. Of course, there is no milk, and the bread sometimes is so dry that they have to mix it with water so children can eat it.<\/p>\n<p>They allowed some trucks to enter Gaza, 150 trucks from the beginning. Some of the trucks were only filled to 30-40% of their capacity, and most of the materials and food were expired. Others bring things that the people don\u2019t need, such as clothing.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46774\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza2-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: Said Khatib, AFP<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>A few hours ago, the EZLN published a communiqu\u00e9. Let me read you a part of it:<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>The murdered Palestinian children are not collateral victims, they are and always have been Netanhayu\u2019s main objective. This war is not about eliminating Hamas. It is about killing the future. Hamas will only be the collateral victim. Israel\u2019s government has lost the media battle because it turns out that genocide, even if disguised as revenge, does not have as many followers as it believed. It is now capable of the most unimaginable cruelty. \u00a0The only ones who may perhaps end the massacre are\u2026 the people of Israel.<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>This brings me to a couple of questions. The first one has to do with the true motivations for this barbarism, which is backed by the United States, England, and other European countries. What are the economic and geopolitical interests at play here, and what are Israel\u2019s and its allies\u2019 true intentions?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>There are some facts that have become clear for everyone. I don\u2019t know how the world is accepting this, listening and not taking any real action in this genocide against civilians and in particular against children. Israel is not just Netanyahu. All Israeli leaders and even more the \u201ccivilians\u201d declared from the beginning that no civilians are to survive in Gaza and that we have to kill them all. A few days ago, 100 doctors signed a petition demanding from the Israeli government to burn Gaza totally, including the children. I think that with this strong support from the United States and other Western governments, it is clear that they want to change the face of the whole region and restructure it so it is more beneficial for Israel. From the first moment, they moved rapidly to visit Israel and express their solidarity, and they agreed with the Israeli project to displace the Palestinians from Gaza and push them to Rafah as the first step, and the next step, from Rafah to Sinai. Until yesterday, Israelis have killed 175 Palestinians in the West Bank, where there is no Hamas, no military operations here. Which means that they are also preparing for another displacement to Jordan, and Israel is now putting that on the table and started speaking of this Israeli project, where Gaza will be pushed to the Sinai and the West Bank to Jordan. It is a horrifying project, ethnic cleansing in the West Bank and genocide in Gaza, with the full support of European governments and the US, and of course Palestinians will not allow this to happen. What is happening in Gaza and the way people are resisting is an example, but it\u2019s risky for everyone. There is no room now for international law, and they encourage Israel to be above international law. They are attacking Syria again on a regular basis, Lebanon\u2026 they do whatever they want with the support of Europe and the US\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46775\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"770\" height=\"513\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3.jpg 770w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza3-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 770px) 100vw, 770px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: Mahmud Hams, AFP<\/small><\/p>\n<p><em>And of course, this is happening in the context of a crisis of the United States as a world power, as Russia, China, and BRICS acquires more power and threatens Western hegemony. <\/em><\/p>\n<p>The US is dealing with Israel as an important military base here. There is gas in Gaza, huge quantities discovered in 1996 but that became clearer in 2000. So they are not just using Israel as a military base. This explains why the next day Biden visited Israel, with a statement full of lies, and it\u2019s clear that he\u2019s lying, there is no evidence for his statements. They know that the Palestinians don\u2019t have real power, we have no tanks, no weapons\u2026 we have natural resources. It is also about having access to the sea through Gaza, we\u2019ve heard of this plan for decades, and the only way to do that is to displace the Gazan people.<\/p>\n<p><em>In this context, what is the role of the other Arab countries?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Some of them are too weak, and others are supporting Israel. I mean the governments. Between Gaza and Egypt there are no Israelis, but the border is heavily closed. Since 2006, the Egyptian government closed the only gate for Gazans to have access to the world. So yes, they are contributing in a practical way. Egypt is the biggest Arab country and has the power to change everything. But they do the opposite exactly. The other Arab countries, the United States is scaring them, they are bringing all the US power and troops in the sea here, to alert them that if you move or support, there will be a mess in your country. They are very weak, fragmented, and the US has brought them to their side, and they sometimes even condemn Palestine and support Israel.<\/p>\n<p><em>What do you see as possible outcomes? President Biden has said that there is no way this is going to stop, and Netanyahu denies all possibility of a ceasefire\u2026 where is this going?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It is difficult to talk about the future among those criminals and this kind of way of thinking from Biden and others. I am shocked that everyone is seeing people being killed in this way after almost 35, 40 days from the war, and they are justifying it saying that they keep attacking because they \u00a0won\u2019t give any chance to Hamas to rebuild; but that is not true at all. They don\u2019t want a ceasefire because they want to keep the pressure on the people to keep pushing them to the south. They are surrounding Gaza City right now and they keep pushing and killing and attacking the people, and the people are starting to move to the south again. This is what they did in 1948, when Israel attacked more than 500 Palestinian villages and kept attacking them until they evacuated and displaced these villages to Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, etc., after which they became refugees. They are doing the same now again. It is a genocidal thinking clearly, everyone is watching as if it was a movie. This should be stopped; not just stopped, they should be held accountable for their crime. I\u2019m a bit scared that, with this green light from the US, they will continue killing, and things will be increasingly difficult in Gaza\u2026 and everything is possible, frankly speaking. They don\u2019t care about the number of victims. I\u2019m not optimistic, I\u2019m scared, we are all scared that this will continue and will become a normal part of the agenda, and after a few weeks no one will be talking about this.<\/p>\n<p><em>Yet there is an unprecedented outrage and support around the world, with very large demonstrations, including by Jewish communities in many countries who are saying no, not in our name, we will not accept this genocide. Do you see any hope in this world movement in defense of the Palestinian cause?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>As Palestinians, we see two sources of hope among all this darkness. One of them is the steadfastness of the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza. In the West Bank, it is also very hard, they imposed closure, siege, killing, shooting\u2026 The steadfastness of the Palestinian people is one hope and it\u2019s a strong one.<\/p>\n<p>The other hope is, yes, this kind of huge demonstrations all around the world. If it continues or grows, it might\u2026 for example, in France, and even in the US, we start hearing a very small change in words, not in a real change in their position, where they are talking about a ceasefire, because there was no talk of a ceasefire at all one or two weeks ago. In France, what Macron said in Jerusalem is that there should be an alliance against Hamas. And after these huge demonstrations, they started demanding a ceasefire in a very open and public way. That\u2019s the only hope we have, no other hopes. There are no other options to see an end.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46776\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/gaza4-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\nFoto: Hollie Adams, Reuters<\/p>\n<p><em>Since you are in the West Bank, can you tell us what the situation is like there?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>It is very difficult and risky. We cannot move from our cities or villages, they cut everything. They put gates in all the Palestinian cities and villages. You cannot go out or in without passing through the gates and checkpoints. If you get closer they might shoot you, and many Palestinians have been killed that way. According to the Oslo agreements, they divided the West Bank in three areas. Area C, is composed of 63% of the West Bank, the majority of land and resources are there. From October 7, they have displaced people from that area, which is huge and where there is hope to build the Palestinian state in the future. Settlers have raided Palestinian communities in Area C on a daily basis; they attack houses, burn houses, burn farms, steal Palestinian assets, uproot trees. We\u2019re in the middle of the olive season, which is like carnival for the Palestinian people, and no one can harvest their olives because the settlers either steal the olives or uproot the trees or they shoot at Palestinian farmers who try to have access to their land. Last week for example, near Nablus, they killed some Palestinians picking their olives.<\/p>\n<p>This month they killed 175 Palestinians; yesterday alone they killed 16 Palestinians in the Jenin camp. We have in 5,500 Palestinians in prison, arrested in the last 20 years; but in this month, 2,500 Palestinians have been arrested.<\/p>\n<p>All checkpoints are closed. Even the food here, we have more spaces and food suppliers, but if it continues like this, there will be a shortage of food. They might turn off water and electricity at any moment if they decide so.<\/p>\n<p><em>Is there anything else you would like to tell our audience?<\/em><\/p>\n<p>I think the only message that all Palestinians have is that we need to get our freedom. We are tired of being under occupation for 75 years. We need our children to have hope and a future similar to all the children around the world. We need to be safe in our land, in our homes, in our camps. We don\u2019t want to see more Palestinian refugee camps, we need Palestinian refugees to come back, we need to have an independent country and a future, we need sovereignty over our resources, similar to the Israelis, similar to everyone. We are no different from Israelis, we are as human as others. We don\u2019t want to have people killed. We need to put an end to this situation, to this cycle of war, because this is the sixth time in the last 15 years in Gaza. So we need to stop this forever. We hate seeing Western countries\u2019 hypocrisy and the US supporting and participating in killing Palestinians directly. This should end. We all have to respect human issues and international law, it cannot be applied to the Palestinians, the victims, while allowing Israel to do whatever they want. We are fighters for dignity, we are fighters for freedom. We are not fighting to kill or to hate. So this is what I would like the whole world to be aware of, and to stand with the Palestinians to achieve that. These are human values, not just for the Palestinians. Fighting occupation here or elsewhere is a fundamental human value all around the world. History is full of stories like this but they all finished, and we need it also to finish here and give Palestinians their freedom.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-full wp-image-46777\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"900\" height=\"600\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911.jpg 900w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/16987452534911-700x466.jpg 700w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/a><br \/>\n<small>Foto: El Mundo<\/small><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;[:]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[:es] Estamos cansados de estar bajo ocupaci\u00f3n por 75 a\u00f1os Escucha la entrevista en ingl\u00e9s aqu\u00ed: [podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2023\/11\/Interview-UAWC-Palestine.mp3[\/podcast] Desde hace m\u00e1s de un mes, Israel ha bombardeado Gaza por aire, mar y tierra, en respuesta al ataque realizado por Ham\u00e1s el 7 de octubre con el objetivo de acabar con el bloqueo impuesto a Gaza por [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":46773,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,961,953,960,1327,190],"tags":[782,1439,204,1210,112],"class_list":["post-46767","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-audio","category-mujeres","category-mundo","category-ninxs","category-palestina","category-radiozapatista","tag-desplazamiento-forzado","tag-genocidio","tag-guerra","tag-israel","tag-palestina"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46767","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=46767"}],"version-history":[{"count":6,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46767\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":46784,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46767\/revisions\/46784"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/46773"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=46767"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=46767"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=46767"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}