{"id":26428,"date":"2018-04-17T13:25:37","date_gmt":"2018-04-17T18:25:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=26428"},"modified":"2018-04-25T23:34:14","modified_gmt":"2018-04-26T04:34:14","slug":"dia-2-conversatorio-miradas-escuchas-palabras-prohibido-pensar","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=26428","title":{"rendered":"\u00bfCumplimos o no cumplimos? &#8211; D\u00eda 2, Conversatorio &#8220;Miradas, escuchas, palabras: \u00bfprohibido pensar?&#8221;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"slider js_slider\">\n\t                <div class=\"frame js_frame\">\n\t                    <ul class=\"slides js_slides\"><li class=\"js_slide\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1000\" height=\"667\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/IMG_9579.jpg\" class=\"attachment- size-\" alt=\"\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/IMG_9579.jpg 1000w, 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As\u00ed la pregunta, la reflexi\u00f3n, la autocr\u00edtica, el verdadero examen y el espejo propuestos por el EZLN en voz del SubComandante Insurgente Galeano en el primer d\u00eda de charlas del conversatorio \u201cMiradas, escuchas, palabras: \u00bfProhibido pensar?\u201d. Con esta invitaci\u00f3n ha iniciado este lunes 16 de abril en el CIDECI-UNITIERRA de San Crist\u00f3bal la valoraci\u00f3n colectiva de la etapa en la cual el Concejo Ind\u00edgena de Gobierno intent\u00f3 contar con una vocera que participara como candidata en las elecciones presidenciales de este a\u00f1o. Algunas de las primeras respuestas compartidas fueron: \u201cFaltar\u00e1 en la opini\u00f3n p\u00fablica el nos est\u00e1n matando\u201d; \u201cSe logr\u00f3 un importante avance pues se construy\u00f3, reinstal\u00f3 y ampli\u00f3 un aut\u00e9ntico espacio pol\u00edtico que abre el camino y el horizonte de los pueblos\u201d; \u201cTal vez como experiencia estuvo buena, pero debemos cuidarnos de no repetirla\u201d; \u201cSabemos muy bien que nuestros sue\u00f1os no caben ni cabr\u00e1n jam\u00e1s en sus urnas, en cualquier tipo de urnas\u201d; \u201cNosotros decimos que no legitimamos al sistema sino que lo desnudamos\u201d o \u201cLa verdad, hicieron un desmadre\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>A la par de \u00e9stas y las pr\u00f3ximas reflexiones sobre la recolecci\u00f3n de firmas como pretexto para generar organizaci\u00f3n colectiva aut\u00f3noma \u2013el SubGaleano incluso declar\u00f3 que ellos pensaron que a lo mucho se obtendr\u00edan 100,000 firmas y que de ellas quiz\u00e1s 10,000 personas entender\u00edan la propuesta\u2013, en el primer d\u00eda de este nuevo &#8220;semillero&#8221; sobresali\u00f3 lo que en su momento era la agenda secreta del zapatismo. Al contarnos el origen y el camino para preparar el <a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?page_id=26142\">Primer Encuentro Internacional de las Mujeres que Luchan<\/a>, las compa\u00f1eras de base y coordinadoras de los cinco caracoles zapatistas, as\u00ed como Mercedes Olivera, M\u00e1rgara Mill\u00e1n, <a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=27021\">Sylvia Marcos<\/a> y Mar\u00eda de Jes\u00fas Patricio Mart\u00ednez, trazaron veredas sobre c\u00f3mo pensar y hacer hoy, juntxs y desde abajo, una transformaci\u00f3n radical, ese \u201ccaminar que va lento, de lo peque\u00f1o a lo mayor, se va apropiando del territorio, tiene reglas desde el trato hasta lo que se produce y lo que se consume, se burla del dinero, reencuentra el juego, el espacio de la fiesta, se niega a la victimizaci\u00f3n, distribuye y disemina el poder y es siempre atento al poder de las estructuras de g\u00e9nero\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces, \u00bfvali\u00f3 la pena el reciente esfuerzo al que fuimos convocadxs? A decir de Marichuy, en el CIG-CNI quer\u00edan promover el poder y la organizaci\u00f3n desde abajo. El recorrido fue con esa finalidad y les dio gusto encontrar organizaci\u00f3n en los lugares donde imperaban el dolor, el despojo, la criminalizaci\u00f3n y la divisi\u00f3n comunitaria impuesta por los partidos pol\u00edticos. \u201cM\u00e1s que ir nosotros a decirles, aprendimos mucho. Y yo creo que eso nos va a servir mucho al CNI. El recorrido fue un primer paso de muchos que se avecinan. Vamos a seguirle porque hay mucho qu\u00e9 hacer. Sigue lo que sigue. No podemos pensar que ya no la hicimos, sino que tenemos que seguir fortaleciendo los trabajos que hacemos de por s\u00ed. Falta mucho por hacer\u201d, sintetiz\u00f3 Marichuy. A las preguntas zapatistas de los \u00faltimos a\u00f1os \u2013\u00bfVali\u00f3 la pena el esfuerzo? \u00bfEl trabajo gener\u00f3 organizaci\u00f3n o no? \u00bfSomos m\u00e1s grandes en horizonte (que no en n\u00famero) y en capacidad? \u00bfCumplimos o no cumplimos?\u2013 Marichuy respondi\u00f3 \u201cCumplimos\u201d, pero acaso el auditorio del CIDECI se inund\u00f3 con la sensaci\u00f3n de que quedaron y quedan pendientes muchas m\u00e1s respuestas en muchxs otrxs lugares.<\/p>\n<p><div class=\"wp-playlist wp-audio-playlist wp-playlist-light\">\n\t\t\t<div class=\"wp-playlist-current-item\"><\/div>\n\t\t<audio controls=\"controls\" preload=\"none\" width=\"640\"\n\t\t\t><\/audio>\n\t<div class=\"wp-playlist-next\"><\/div>\n\t<div class=\"wp-playlist-prev\"><\/div>\n\t<noscript>\n\t<ol>\n\t\t<li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_DenunciaCNI.mp3'>Denuncia del CNI le\u00edda por el SupGaleano<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miraas1604_SupGaleano1.mp3'>Subcomandante Insurgente Galeano (parte 1)<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miraas1604_SupGaleano2.mp3'>Subcomandante Insurgente Galeano (parte 2)<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_MercedesOliveira.mp3'>Mercedes Oliveira<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_MargaraMillan.mp3'>M\u00e1rgara Mill\u00e1n<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_SylviaMarcos.mp3'>Sylvia Marcos<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_Marichuy.mp3'>Mar\u00eda de Jes\u00fas Patricio Mart\u00ednez (Marichuy)<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_RobertoBarrios.mp3'>Caracol de Roberto Barrios - Compa\u00f1era Marina<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_Morelia.mp3'>Caracol de Morelia - Compa\u00f1era Maireli<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_Garrucha.mp3'>Caracol de La Garrucha - Compa\u00f1era Marina<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_Oventik.mp3'>Caracol de Oventik - Compa\u00f1era Esmeralda<\/a><\/li><li><a href='https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_Realidad.mp3'>Caracol de La Realidad - Compa\u00f1era Everilda<\/a><\/li>\t<\/ol>\n\t<\/noscript>\n\t<script type=\"application\/json\" class=\"wp-playlist-script\">{\"type\":\"audio\",\"tracklist\":true,\"tracknumbers\":true,\"images\":true,\"artists\":false,\"tracks\":[{\"src\":\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/04\/Miradas1604_DenunciaCNI.mp3\",\"type\":\"audio\/mpeg\",\"title\":\"Denuncia del CNI le\\u00edda por el SupGaleano\",\"caption\":\"Denuncia del CNI le\\u00edda por el SupGaleano\",\"description\":\"\\\"Miradas1604_DenunciaCNI\\\". 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