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<\/a><\/h4>\nCaf\u00e9 organizado contra el muro
\nSubcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s.<\/h4>\nSeminario “Los muros del capital, las grietas de la izquierda”
\nCideci \/ Universidad de la Tierra Chiapas
\n13 de abril de 2017<\/h4>\n
\nCideci \/ Universidad de la Tierra Chiapas
\n13 de abril de 2017<\/h4>\n
[podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/rzchiapas\/supmoisesdiados.mp3[\/podcast]<\/p>\n
Buenas tardes o buenos d\u00edas a los que nos escuchan en el mundo.<\/p>\n
Lo que les voy a platicar compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, hermanos y hermanas aqu\u00ed presentes y los que nos ven en otro lado\u2026 Lo que yo les platico no es lo que yo creo, sino de lo que creen las compa\u00f1eras y los compa\u00f1eros bases de apoyo del Ej\u00e9rcito Zapatista de Liberaci\u00f3n Nacional.<\/p>\n
Las compa\u00f1eras y los compa\u00f1eros que aqu\u00ed est\u00e1n al lado nuestro hemos entendido de que somos el apoyo de las miles de compa\u00f1eras bases de apoyo; somos apoyo de ellos, de los miles de compa\u00f1eros bases de apoyo. As\u00ed lo hemos definido \u00faltimamente porque les pasamos lo que vemos, lo que escuchamos, lo que llegamos a saber. Y \u00bfqu\u00e9 es eso de lo que llegamos a saber o que llegamos a escuchar? Es el muro del Trump.<\/p>\n
Cuando empezamos a escucharlo eso, cuando empezamos a saber c\u00f3mo est\u00e1 eso, nos reunimos con las compa\u00f1eras del Comit\u00e9 Clandestino Revolucionario Ind\u00edgena y con los compa\u00f1eros del Comit\u00e9 Clandestino Revolucionario Ind\u00edgena y empezamos a platicar de lo que les pasa a los hermanos y hermanas migrantes que est\u00e1n en Estados Unidos.<\/p>\n
Como siempre, las compa\u00f1eras comandantas, los compa\u00f1eros comandantes, somos parte de ellos. Eso es lo que dijeron. Y entonces, son iguales que nosotros, que nosotras, dicen. Pero est\u00e1 muy cabr\u00f3n lo que les va a pasar, porque esos hermanos y hermanas migrantes no fueron porque quisieron, fueron porque entonces ya les est\u00e1 apretando la vida de su pueblo o en la finca de donde estaba (para ya no decir pa\u00eds).<\/p>\n
Entonces, no tienen nada. Y si ten\u00eda algo, lo tuvo que vender o lo tuvo que empe\u00f1ar, para tener el dinero y irse pues en Estados Unidos, porque ah\u00ed se piensa que ah\u00ed hay trabajo.<\/p>\n
Entonces, ya que est\u00e1n all\u00e1 y ahora los est\u00e1n corriendo. \u00bfA d\u00f3nde va a ir en esa finca si ya no tiene nada? Y entonces es ah\u00ed donde dijimos pues, hablando, discutiendo, pensando, estudiando, analizando que est\u00e1 igualito a como era antes, hace cientos de a\u00f1os, como lo que les pas\u00f3 a nuestros tatarabuelos. Porque las mejores tierras las tuvieron los terratenientes. Nos quitaron, nos desalojaron de ah\u00ed. Nos mandaron en los cerros. Hoy, nos est\u00e1n queriendo quitar otra vez el cerro. Antes no les serv\u00eda, hoy, s\u00ed el cerro les sirve: hay algo ah\u00ed. Y ahora \u00bfa d\u00f3nde nos vamos? Los que todav\u00eda estamos ah\u00ed en la tierra donde estamos viviendo. Pero ellos ya no est\u00e1n en su tierra. Ya los dej\u00f3, ya los vendi\u00f3 o los malvendi\u00f3. Entonces, no tienen para d\u00f3nde.<\/p>\n
Y entonces alguien compa\u00f1ero Comit\u00e9 dice: \u201cs\u00ed es cierto\u201d y daba el ejemplo de la f\u00e1brica del Ford. Que el loco del Trump tiene que regresarlo a ese empresario para que est\u00e9 la f\u00e1brica en Estados Unidos. Otra vez, aqu\u00ed en M\u00e9xico, los que est\u00e1n trabajando ac\u00e1 no van a tener trabajo. All\u00e1 va a ir pues la f\u00e1brica y all\u00e1 va a haber trabajo. Va a haber trabajo para los de all\u00ed, pero para los migrantes no va a haber trabajo.<\/p>\n
Entonces, ya de ah\u00ed, \u00bfqu\u00e9 vamos a hacer? fue nuestra pregunta. Y dijimos: \u201ctenemos que apoyar\u201d. Necesitamos decirles que entonces luchen ah\u00ed porque ya no tienen para d\u00f3nde irse.<\/p>\n
Entonces, empezamos a recordar el a\u00f1o 1994, 1995\u2026 que en ese tiempo dec\u00edamos que la sociedad civil que nos ayudaron, tanto de M\u00e9xico y del mundo. Entonces empezamos a decir: creemos, creo que entonces nos toca ahora. De que hay que apoyar, as\u00ed como ese pueblo solidario que nos apoy\u00f3 porque vieron que estamos en lucha. Creo que tambi\u00e9n nosotros nos toca ahora de apoyar a ese pueblo que hay que decirles que luchen con resistencia y con rebeld\u00eda. Porque ya no les queda de otra.<\/p>\n
Y entonces, empezamos a bolsear nuestras bolsas: no hay euro, no hay d\u00f3lar, no hay nada. Pero entonces descubrimos pues que ah\u00ed est\u00e1 ah\u00ed el resultado del trabajo colectivo de pueblos, de regiones, de municipios aut\u00f3nomos rebeldes zapatistas y la zona, donde trabaja la Junta de Buen Gobierno.<\/p>\n
Dijimos: s\u00ed, hay guineo (o sea, pl\u00e1tano), hay yuca, hay camote\u2026 pero eso se va a podrir, \u00bfc\u00f3mo le vamos a hacer? Entonces, nace la idea, ahora s\u00ed como dice el compa: no lo traje, se me olvid\u00f3, pero aqu\u00ed est\u00e1 el compa\u00f1ero doctor Raymundo. Ah\u00ed lo tiene en su mano pues. Los 3 mil y tantos de kilos de caf\u00e9, ya est\u00e1n aqu\u00ed. Listo para que se prepare, para tomar.<\/p>\n
Entonces dijimos ah\u00ed eso de que podemos apoyar ah\u00ed en eso. Y como su primer arranque de los hermanos y las hermanas all\u00e1 es que se organicen para ver c\u00f3mo van a vender y de ah\u00ed sacar pues el d\u00f3lar, para convertir en lucha, en resistencia y rebeld\u00eda donde est\u00e1n pues. Y entonces dijimos: pero entonces se necesita caf\u00e9 que m\u00e1s o menos est\u00e9 bien. Porque naci\u00f3 la idea de que no pues lo vamos a juntar tan pronto. Es cosa entonces de que le platicamos a las bases de apoyo de c\u00f3mo est\u00e1, y por qu\u00e9 y para qu\u00e9. Como lo pensaron en aquellos a\u00f1os cuando nos ayudaron cuando est\u00e1bamos en la necesidad.<\/p>\n
Pero entonces, ah\u00ed es donde empez\u00f3 a salir de que \u201ces que va a salir distinto, la molida del caf\u00e9, otro medio cafecito porque es bien doradito, otro va a ser muy negro porque est\u00e1 muy quemado\u2026\u201d Son distintos pues y entonces dijimos que mejor lo vemos en colectivo. Entonces regresaron los compa\u00f1eros y las compa\u00f1eras comandantes, comandantas. Lo explicaron en cada zona y los compa\u00f1eros dijeron: \u00a1S\u00ed!<\/p>\n
Hay compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras en los pueblos que trabajan el caf\u00e9 y hay otros que no. Entonces los compa\u00f1eros dijeron: cada pueblo como estamos organizados en colectivo, el compa\u00f1ero o la compa\u00f1era que vende su caf\u00e9 en vez de que lo va a vender en otro lado, compr\u00e9moselo al compa\u00f1ero y que salga la paga ah\u00ed en el trabajo colectivo en el pueblo. Otros pensaron de que entonces en la regi\u00f3n \u2014regi\u00f3n le decimos cuando se compone en 20, 30 o 40 pueblos, a eso le decimos regi\u00f3n\u2014. Los otros dijeron entonces: vamos a comprarnos nosotros nuestro caf\u00e9 que tenemos. La paga sale en el trabajo colectivo de la regi\u00f3n. Otros, otras zonas as\u00ed lo pensaron. Otras zonas dijeron: que se encarguen los compa\u00f1eros y las compa\u00f1eras autoridades de los municipios aut\u00f3nomos rebeldes zapatistas. Que salga ah\u00ed en el trabajo colectivo y que compren el caf\u00e9 de los compa\u00f1eros y tambi\u00e9n de los hermanos y hermanas, si es que no alcanzamos, seg\u00fan lo que nos toca a cada quien de cada zona. Y otros dijeron: ah\u00ed est\u00e1 ya el trabajo colectivo de la zona, o sea, la Junta de Buen Gobierno. Pues nada m\u00e1s la asamblea de autoridades, mujeres y hombres, sacan el acuerdo y ya la Junta de Buen Gobierno se encarga de comprar el caf\u00e9 de los compa\u00f1eros y de las compa\u00f1eras. Es as\u00ed como logramos juntar en d\u00edas.<\/p>\n
Ya de ah\u00ed, entonces, como les digo pensamos de que debe salir m\u00e1s o menos de calidad pues el caf\u00e9. Entonces, colectivos de compa\u00f1eros de la zona que tienen la m\u00e1quina para tostar, la m\u00e1quina para moler el caf\u00e9, ah\u00ed lo mandamos los 5 mil kilos de caf\u00e9 que lo juntamos todav\u00eda en pergamino. Entonces, son 3,791.5 los kilos de caf\u00e9 de lo que sali\u00f3 de los 5 mil kilos en pergamino. Ya molido pues.<\/p>\n
Entonces, nosotros est\u00e1bamos confiados pues de que ahora s\u00ed la m\u00e1quina es la que se encarga de tostarlo y de molerlo. Entonces, ya se organizaron las zonas: cu\u00e1ntos trabajadores van ah\u00ed donde est\u00e1 la m\u00e1quina. Compa\u00f1eras que tambi\u00e9n que son las que saben el tipo de molido del caf\u00e9. Nosotros est\u00e1bamos muy contentos porque ahora s\u00ed que la m\u00e1quina se encarga y, en el primer d\u00eda, se ching\u00f3 la m\u00e1quina. Y entonces, los compa\u00f1eros que estaban ah\u00ed en eso dec\u00edan: \u201calguien hizo un complot\u201d. Dicen: \u201c\u00bfc\u00f3mo? No, no fue un complot\u201d. Tenemos que verlo c\u00f3mo vamos a hacer esto.<\/p>\n
Entonces, ah\u00ed estaba Sergio, un compa\u00f1ero insurgente. Entonces le llaman. \u00bfSer\u00e1 que nos pueden echar la mano? Para ver qu\u00e9. Entonces el compa\u00f1ero insurgente va y lo checa. Y resulta que es un balero que se trab\u00f3. Pero no es la culpa del capitalismo pues. As\u00ed empezamos a decir: no es culpa del capitalismo. No es la mafia del poder, dijimos. Esto es el problema de nosotros por no darle mantenimiento de la m\u00e1quina pues. Y luego, un compa\u00f1ero que estaba ah\u00ed dice: no hace falta grasa ah\u00ed hay cebo (la grasa del ganado pues). Con eso, sin sal, se usa como grasa. No se necesita comprar grasa. Lo \u00fanico que faltaba pues es la limpieza pues. Darle mantenimiento pues.<\/p>\n
Total, necesitamos as\u00ed que se saliera pues el trabajo.<\/p>\n
Empez\u00f3 pues la coordinaci\u00f3n, porque los compa\u00f1eros estaban ya ah\u00ed los que se encargan de tostar; est\u00e1 ah\u00ed la compa\u00f1era pendiente porque es por d\u00edas de trabajo pues. Y estaban ah\u00ed los compa\u00f1eros choferes esperando para sacar pues el producto. Est\u00e1n ah\u00ed los compa\u00f1eros para embolsar y sellar. Pero todo estaba parado porque la m\u00e1quina hizo un complot. Y entonces, empez\u00f3 ahora s\u00ed la organizaci\u00f3n. Un grupo de compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras que ayudan de la ciudad, tuvimos que avisarles que si nos pueden conseguir el balero, para que entonces lo vaya a traer y lo acerque pues donde estamos, mientras nosotros lo mandamos al compa\u00f1ero a recogerla.<\/p>\n
Entonces, el colectivismo cuando se organiza y se coordina es como si fuera la rueda pues: gira parejo. Porque entonces as\u00ed lo resolvimos inmediatamente ah\u00ed eso, porque est\u00e1 todo parado. Lo sac\u00f3 pues el balero el compa\u00f1ero insurgente, lo volvi\u00f3 a meter\u2026 y a chambear. Entonces, pues ah\u00ed lo tenemos el caf\u00e9 ahora.<\/p>\n
La idea de esto es de que entonces es para los compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, hermanos y hermanas migrantes en Estados Unidos. Es apoyar la lucha que est\u00e1n haciendo. Donde les decimos: es necesario que se tienen que organizarse en donde est\u00e1n y de resistir y de rebelarse. \u00bfEn qu\u00e9 forma? Eso es lo que tienen que pensar.<\/p>\n
Y el apoyo que estamos dando es incondicional, como lo apoyamos as\u00ed a los hermanos y hermanas maestros aqu\u00ed en Chiapas. Es apoyar no para que se venga a ser base de apoyo ni porque le vamos a decir: \u201cesto es lo que tienen que hacer\u201d. Ellos, ellas, son los que tienen que ver. Porque entonces aprendimos de lo que nos ense\u00f1aron en el a\u00f1o 94 y 95. Porque lo vimos y lo descubrimos lo que es el arma de lucha que es la resistencia y la rebeld\u00eda.<\/p>\n
Eso es lo que vemos con los compa\u00f1eros y con las compa\u00f1eras comandantes, comandantas. Nos damos la pregunta pues de que si no hubi\u00e9ramos hecho caso a la idea de las compa\u00f1eras y de los compa\u00f1eros bases de apoyo en el 94, porque ellas, ellos lo dijeron de que tenemos que pelear tambi\u00e9n como bases de apoyo, pero no con las armas como las que tienen las milicianas, los milicianos, los compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras insurgentes, insurgentas. Sino, nosotros estamos en contra del gobierno \u2014as\u00ed lo dijeron\u2014 y por lo tanto no vamos a vendernos, no vamos a rendirnos ni nos vamos a desviar. Tenemos que rechazar esa limosna, ese sobrante, esa migaja. Entonces, como lo entendimos eso empezamos ahora s\u00ed a pensarlo c\u00f3mo. Y gracias a eso, por eso estamos hablando hoy aqu\u00ed, porque 23 a\u00f1os fue esa lucha con esa arma que se llama resistencia y rebeld\u00eda.<\/p>\n
Entonces, la comparaci\u00f3n que hacemos con los compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras comandantes, comandantas: si hubi\u00e9ramos hecho 23 a\u00f1os balazos, bombazos, emboscadas, no habr\u00eda municipios aut\u00f3nomos rebeldes zapatistas, no habr\u00eda Juntas de Buen Gobierno, no habr\u00eda educaci\u00f3n, o sea, escuelas zapatistas, no habr\u00eda cl\u00ednicas ni hospitales zapatistas, ni hubieran pasado tantos encuentros que hemos hecho, porque no iba a dar tiempo. Y sabemos lo que s\u00ed va a haber: 23 a\u00f1os de balazos.<\/p>\n
Pero esa arma que se descubri\u00f3 eso es lo que nos ha hecho lo que somos ahora pues. Y entonces, con esa arma de lucha, resistencia y rebeld\u00eda por supuesto de que se tiene que organizarse. Entonces, eso es lo que ha hecho de que entonces han construido un peque\u00f1o mundo con un nuevo sistema de su gobierno.<\/p>\n
Cada quien tiene que ver, pero hemos visto de que el arma de lucha con resistencia y rebeld\u00eda s\u00ed se puede. Tampoco es que estamos negando la herramienta que tenemos. Nosotros le decimos herramienta a nuestras chimbitas. Es una herramienta m\u00e1s para nosotros, es como tener machetes, es como tener moto sierras, es como tener hacha, es como tener otros tipos de herramientas y ah\u00ed va tambi\u00e9n pues esa chimbita \u2014o sea, el arma pues, \u00bfno?\u2014 Y entonces, cuando se necesita la tienes que usarla, pero hay que saber usarla.<\/p>\n
Porque como ya escuchamos aqu\u00ed el enemigo capitalista no nos va a dejar. No nos van a permitir de que ahora sea el pueblo, mujeres y hombres, que van a tener que mandar. Jam\u00e1s nos van a permitir. No lo van a negociar ni lo van a dialogar su forma de c\u00f3mo explotar. No van a decir: \u201cah bueno, te voy a medio explotar ahora\u201d. No va a haber eso. No va a decir: \u201cah, entonces renuncio de explotar\u201d. Tampoco. No va a ver nada m\u00e1s que el pueblo, mujeres y hombres que tienen que organizarse.<\/p>\n
Entonces, el trabajo colectivo se entiende muy lindo, muy bonito. Una cosa es lo que se sabe decir en la teor\u00eda, o sea, en la explicaci\u00f3n; es otra cosa cuando vas a hacer en los hechos. Pero en la teor\u00eda nos ayuda de entenderlo su gran importancia, lo necesario y el por qu\u00e9 y el\u00a0 para qu\u00e9. Y a la hora de que est\u00e1s enfrentando que no te sale tal cual que en la teor\u00eda, no te debe desanimar ah\u00ed eso, porque te\u00f3ricamente sabes por qu\u00e9, para qu\u00e9 y de qu\u00e9 y su gran importancia.<\/p>\n
Y cada quien tiene que hacerlo. Ejemplo, del trabajo colectivo. Yo no s\u00e9 c\u00f3mo deber\u00edan hacer un trabajo colectivo los maestros y maestras. No s\u00e9 c\u00f3mo va a hacer un trabajo colectivo las obreras o los obreros. Cada quien en donde est\u00e1 la tendr\u00e1n que inventarla, la tendr\u00e1n que crearla, la tendr\u00e1n que imaginarla y estudiarla y decidirla y ponerla en la pr\u00e1ctica.<\/p>\n
Pero el colectivismo s\u00ed tiene la fuerza. Y el colectivismo hemos entendido que no es\u2026 se dice trabajo colectivo lo que es meramente trabajar la tierra, sino tambi\u00e9n debe de haber colectivismo en c\u00f3mo quieres una buena salud, c\u00f3mo quieres una buena educaci\u00f3n y todo lo dem\u00e1s de las trece demandas que las hemos planteado. \u00bfC\u00f3mo queremos eso? En colectivo tiene que salir c\u00f3mo queremos la ley que debe de haber en donde vivimos. No de que alguien sabe hacer la ley y que ellos la cagan y el pueblo es el que la paga.<\/p>\n
Entonces, eso es lo que decimos de que el colectivismo no se trata nada m\u00e1s de c\u00f3mo trabajar la tierra. Gira en todo. Entonces, ese trabajo colectivo, en este caso mero en producto pues \u2014ah\u00ed lo tenemos ah\u00ed, aqu\u00ed lo tiene ya el compa\u00f1ero doctor Raymundo\u2014 ojal\u00e1 de que salga en colectivo de c\u00f3mo vamos a llevar para entregarles a los hermanos, hermanas, compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras migrantes all\u00e1 en los Estados Unidos.<\/p>\n
Pensamos de que entonces nosotros, nosotras, los que estamos entendiendo pues su gran importancia de lucha, que tenemos que hacerla contra el capitalismo, deber\u00edamos de ingeniar otras cosas de c\u00f3mo apoyarlos a los hermanos y las hermanas, a los compa\u00f1eros y las compa\u00f1eras all\u00e1 en los Estados Unidos. Porque necesitan apoyo, pero ese apoyo decimos de que entonces que no sea con condici\u00f3n. Porque entonces, si lo condicionamos se va en otro lado. Necesitamos pues ayudarnos, para que de ah\u00ed demostremos de que no necesitamos a los otros que quieren dar apoyo, pero condicionado.<\/p>\n
Entonces, ya est\u00e1 aqu\u00ed ya el caf\u00e9. Y entonces, a ver qui\u00e9n va a decir as\u00ed de que \u201cme lo llevo y les entrego\u201d. No es para que la vamos a vender, sino que queremos pasarlo en los Estados Unidos. Y de all\u00e1 los hermanos, las hermanas, que se organicen para vender pues ah\u00ed. Porque es que se necesita la organizaci\u00f3n. Hoy m\u00e1s que nunca vemos que se necesita organizarnos contra el capitalismo. Luchar y trabajar.<\/p>\n
Una vez de que entonces hemos caminado dentro de lo que cre\u00edmos en la organizaci\u00f3n, nos vamos a dar cuenta de que tenemos que reorganizarnos nuevamente. Hasta incluso tenemos que reeducarnos, porque es lo que estamos viendo eso pues. Nos estamos reeduc\u00e1ndonos. Estamos reorganizando lo que cre\u00edamos que ya estaba organizado.<\/p>\n
Entonces por eso es tan importante de organizarse. Es una palabra organizarse. \u00bfQu\u00e9 lleva? A lo mejor lleva ajo, a lo mejor lleva aceite, a lo mejor lleva los condimentos pues. Y eso es lo que tienen que ver. Ya hay eso. \u00bfQu\u00e9 tipo de organizaci\u00f3n?, \u00bfde qu\u00e9 se trata esa organizaci\u00f3n?, \u00bfpara qu\u00e9 esa organizaci\u00f3n? Eso es de cada quien, si hay eso.<\/p>\n
Por supuesto de que no pase eso de que nos desviamos o que nos vendemos o que nos rendimos. Porque entonces eso es lo que nos pide en contra del capitalismo, eso. Porque entonces dejas de luchar. No puedes decir de que entonces ya no quieres luchar. Y no puedes decir: \u201cYa no quiero la miseria\u201d. No se puede: dejas de luchar y la miseria se va a hacer peor.<\/p>\n
Entonces, son cosas que tenemos que pensarlo pues. Y que cada quien tiene que construir lo que quiere construir. Con \u00e9sa su lucha, con \u00e9sa su organizaci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n
Entonces, les hacemos pues entrega ac\u00e1 de ese caf\u00e9 para que entonces ustedes digan qui\u00e9n est\u00e1 puesto \u2014entendiendo eso que estamos diciendo de que es para esos hermanos y hermanas\u2014 y que se organicen para venderlo. Y que estamos pensando que vamos a tener que apoyarles m\u00e1s, pero s\u00f3lo que tienen que estar resistiendo ah\u00ed, porque si no, no le vamos a entregar a Trump el caf\u00e9 pues. Necesitamos ah\u00ed al pueblo migrante ah\u00ed en Estados Unidos que est\u00e1n organiz\u00e1ndose para que la siguiente cosecha les entregamos caf\u00e9 nuevamente.<\/p>\n
Y ojal\u00e1 de que entonces nos acompa\u00f1en pues as\u00ed de apoyar a esos hermanos y hermanas, con lo que vayan a poder. Ya lo tendr\u00e1n que ver ah\u00ed eso pues ustedes.<\/p>\n
Gracias.[:en]<\/p>\n
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<\/a><\/h4>\nOrganized Coffee Against the Wall
\nSubcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s<\/h4>\nSeminar “The Walls of Capital, the Cracks of the Left”
\nCideci \/ Universidad de la Tierra Chiapas
\n13 April 2017<\/h4>\n
[podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/rzchiapas\/supmoisesdiados.mp3[\/podcast]<\/p>\n
Good afternoon or good morning to those who are listening to us around the world.<\/p>\n
What I\u2019m going to talk about, compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, compa\u00f1eras<\/em>, brothers and sisters who are present here and those who watch us from elsewhere\u2026 what I\u2019m going to talk to you about is not what I think, but rather what the compa\u00f1eras <\/em>and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who make up the Zapatista Army for National Liberation bases of support think.<\/p>\nWe compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> here in front [members of the EZLN comandancia<\/em>] understand that we serve as support for the thousands of compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who are bases of support; we support the thousands of compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who are bases of support. That\u2019s how we\u2019ve defined it lately because we pass along to them what we see, what we hear, what we come to know. And what is it that we have come to know or hear about? Trump\u2019s wall.<\/p>\nWhen we started hearing about this, when we began to understand what was going on, we met with the compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eros<\/em> of the Indigenous Revolutionary Clandestine Committee [CCRI] and began to discuss what is happening to our migrant brothers and sisters who are in the United States.<\/p>\nAs always, the compa\u00f1eras <\/em>and compa\u00f1eros <\/em>who are comandantas<\/em> and comandantes<\/em> said, \u201cwe are part of them.\u201d That\u2019s what they said: \u201cthey are the same as us.\u201d But what\u2019s going to happen to them is really fucked up, because these migrant brothers and sisters didn\u2019t leave and go there because they wanted to, they went because life in their communities or on the plantations (as not to call them countries anymore) where they were before was crushing them.<\/p>\nSo now they have nothing. If they had anything to begin with, they had to sell it or pawn it in order to have money to be able to go to the United States, because it is assumed that there is work there.<\/p>\n
So they\u2019re already there and now they\u2019re being chased out. How will they go back to the plantation if they have nothing left? So that\u2019s where, through talking, discussing, thinking, studying, and analyzing, we determined that it\u2019s the same as it was before, hundreds of years ago, it\u2019s just like what happened to our great-grandparents. Then the landowners had the best lands. They took them from us, they evicted us, and they sent us to the hills. Now they want to take the hills away from us. Before they didn\u2019t want them, and now they do: there\u2019s something there they want. So now where will we go, those of us who are still living on our land? But [our migrant brothers and sisters] aren\u2019t on their land anymore. They left it behind, they sold it, or they undersold it. So now they have nowhere to go.<\/p>\n
So one compa\u00f1ero<\/em> from the CCRI said: \u201cyes, it\u2019s true,\u201d and gave the example of the Ford factory. That crazy Trump is taking that company back so that the factory is in the United States. Once again, here in Mexico those who were working there will be out of work. The factory will go there and there will be work there. There will be work for those who are from there, but for the migrants there will be no work.<\/p>\nSo from there our question was \u201cwhat are we going to do?\u201d And we said: \u201cwe have to support them.\u201d We have to tell them to struggle there because they have nowhere to go.<\/p>\n
So we started to remember the year 1994, 1995\u2026 at that time we asked civil society, in Mexico and around the world to help us. So we started to say: we think that now it\u2019s our turn, that we have to support them, just like the people in solidarity who helped us because they saw we were in struggle. It\u2019s also up to us to support these communities, to tell them to struggle with resistance and rebellion. Because they have no other option.<\/p>\n
So we began to shake out our pockets: we don\u2019t have euros, we don\u2019t have dollars, we don\u2019t have anything. But we discovered that we do have the results of the collective work of the communities, of the regions, of the Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion, and of the zones, where the Juntas de Buen Gobierno<\/em> [Good Government Councils] work.<\/p>\nWe said: yes, there are plantains, there\u2019s yucca, there\u2019s sweet potato\u2026but all that will rot, what are we going to do? Then the idea was born, just like the compa<\/em> said. The compa\u00f1ero<\/em> Dr. Raymundo is here, he now has in his hands over three-thousand kilos of coffee, already here, ready to be prepared, ready to drink.<\/p>\nSo we said that\u2019s how we can help. As a first effort, our brothers and sisters there can organize themselves to sell it, to turn it into dollars, to transform it into struggle, into resistance and rebellion there where they are. Then we said: but we\u2019ll need pretty good coffee, because the thought came up that we might not be able to collect it all so quickly. So then it was a matter of talking with the bases of support to explain what this was about, why and for what, just like whose who helped us during those years when we were in need had done.<\/p>\n
But then the concern came up that \u201cthe coffee will be varied, some really light because it was just roasted golden, some really black because it\u2019s roasted until its almost burnt.\u201d All of the coffee is different. So we decided it was better to think about it collectively. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> comandantes<\/em> and comandantas<\/em> went back to their zones and explained it, and the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> there said: Yes!<\/p>\nThere are compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> in the communities who grow coffee and others who don\u2019t. So the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> said: since we\u2019re organized in a collective, instead of the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> or compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who grow coffee selling it somewhere else, we\u2019ll buy it from them and use the funds from collective work in the community to pay for it. Others thought that this should be done at the level of the region\u2014 what we call a region is composed of 20, 30, 40 communities. These compa\u00f1eros<\/em> said: let\u2019s buy our own coffee from what we have already, and the payment will come from the collective work of the region. In some zones they thought we should do it like that. Other zones said: the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who are authorities of the Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion should be in charge of it. The money should come out of the funds generated by collective work and they should buy coffee from the compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, and also from our brothers and sisters if we don\u2019t have enough, depending on the situation of each zone. Others said: we already have collective work at the level of each zone, that is, in the Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em>. So we just need the assembly of authorities, women and men, to reach an agreement and then the Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em> will be responsible for buying the coffee from the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em>. That\u2019s how we managed to get it all together within days.<\/p>\nFrom there, as I told you, we thought that the coffee should be pretty high quality. So we sent the 5,000 kilos of coffee that we had gathered, still as coffee beans in the husk, to the collectives of compa\u00f1eros<\/em> in the zone where there is a machine to roast it, a machine to grind the coffee. Now there are 3,791.5 kilos of ground coffee that came from the 5,000 kilos of beans.<\/p>\nWe were confident then that it was just up to the machine to roast it and grind it. So the zones got organized to figure out how many workers would go to help run the machine, including compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who know how to grind the coffee. We were really happy because at that point it was just up to the machine, and on the first day, the machine fucking broke. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who were there were saying: \u201csomeone sabotaged it.\u201d Other said: \u201cWhat? No, no it wasn\u2019t sabotage.\u201d We had to see how we were going to fix it.<\/p>\nAn insurgent compa\u00f1ero, <\/em>Sergio, was around, so they called him. \u201cDo you think you could help us out? To see what\u2019s going on.\u201d So the insurgent compa\u00f1ero<\/em> went to check it out. It turned out that one of the ball bearings was locked. But it wasn\u2019t capitalism\u2019s fault. So then we began to explain: it\u2019s not capitalism\u2019s fault; it\u2019s not the mafia of power. This is our own problem because we didn\u2019t do upkeep on the machine. Then a compa\u00f1ero<\/em> who was there said: there\u2019s grease here, we have cebo<\/em> (fat from livestock; without salt, it\u2019s used as grease), so we don\u2019t need to buy grease. The only thing lacking was a good cleaning, regular maintenance.<\/p>\nIn sum, that\u2019s what we needed to to do for the work to come out well.<\/p>\n
So we started coordinating, because all the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who were in charge of roasting were already there; the compa\u00f1era<\/em> was already there waiting, because the work is organized by days. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who are the drivers were there too, waiting to load and transport the product. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who were to bag and seal everything were there. But everything was stalled because the machine sabotaged itself. So that\u2019s when the organization started. There\u2019s a group of compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> from the city who help out, and we had to ask if they could get us another ball bearing and bring it part of the way and we would send a compa\u00f1ero<\/em> to go pick it up from them.<\/p>\nWhen we organize and coordinate collectively, it\u2019s like a wheel: it turns evenly. That\u2019s how we immediately resolved this, because everything had been stalled. The insurgent compa\u00f1ero<\/em> took out the ball bearing and put in the new one\u2026and we got back to work. So, now we have the coffee.<\/p>\nThe idea is that this is for the compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, compa\u00f1eras<\/em>, migrant brothers and sisters in the United States. It\u2019s to support their struggle. It\u2019s how we say to them: it\u2019s necessary for you to organize yourselves where you are and to resist and rebel. How? That\u2019s what they have to think about.<\/p>\nThe support we\u2019re offering is unconditional, just like how we supported our brothers and sisters who are teachers here in Chiapas. We supported them not so that they would become our bases of support or so that we could say \u201cthis is what you have to do.\u201d They\u2019re the ones who have to decide that for themselves. We learned from what we were taught in the years \u201894 and \u201895. We saw and discovered how resistance and rebellion are weapons of struggle.<\/p>\n
This is what we figured out with the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and \u00a0compa\u00f1eras <\/em>who are comandantes<\/em> and comandantas<\/em>. We asked ourselves: what if in \u201994 we hadn\u2019t listened to the idea of the compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eros<\/em> bases of support, because they said then that as bases of support they had to fight too, but not with weapons like those of the compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and compa\u00f1eras milicianas<\/em>, milicianos<\/em>, and insurgentes<\/em> and insurgentas<\/em>. Rather, we\u2019re against the government\u2014that\u2019s what they said\u2014and therefore we can\u2019t sell out, we can\u2019t give up, we can\u2019t stray off course. We have to reject their handouts, their leftovers, their crumbs. We understood that and we started to think about how to do it. And thanks to that we\u2019re here speaking today, because we\u2019ve been fighting for 23 years with that weapon called resistance and rebellion.<\/p>\nSo, we made this comparison with the compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who are comandantes <\/em>and comandantas<\/em>: if there had been 23 years of shootings, bombings, and ambushes, there would be no Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion. There would be no Juntas de Buen Gobierno<\/em>. There would be no education, that is Zapatista schools. There would be no Zapatista clinics or hospitals. All the encuentros<\/em> [encounters or gatherings] we\u2019ve held wouldn\u2019t have happened because there wouldn\u2019t have been time. What there would have been was 23 years of gunshots.<\/p>\nBut that weapon that we discovered is what has made us who we are today. And in order to use that weapon of struggle, resistance and rebellion, of course we had to organize ourselves. And that\u2019s what has made it possible for us to construct a small world with a new system of government.<\/p>\n
Everyone has to decide for themselves, but we\u2019ve seen that with this weapon of struggle, with resistance and rebellion, it can be done. And it\u2019s not that we\u2019re rejecting that other tool that we have\u2014we call our firearms tools. For us, they are one more tool among others, like having machetes, chainsaws, axes; it\u2019s like having many kinds of tools, among which we include our firearms\u2014that is, guns. And when it\u2019s necessary you have to use it, but you have to know how to use it.<\/p>\n
Because as we\u2019ve already heard here, the capitalist enemy is not going to leave us alone. They\u2019re not going to accept that now the people, women and men, are going to rule. They\u2019ll never allow us do it. They\u2019re not going negotiate or dialogue about their forms of exploitation. They\u2019re not going to say: \u201cokay well, I\u2019m just going to halfway exploit you now.\u201d That\u2019s not going to happen. They\u2019re not going to say: \u201cah, okay, I\u2019m going to renounce exploitation.\u201d That won\u2019t happen either. The only thing to do is for the people, women and men, to organize themselves.<\/p>\n
So, collective work sounds really nice, really lovely. It\u2019s one thing to talk about it in theory, that is, by explaining; it\u2019s another to do it in practice. But theory helps us understand its great importance, the necessity and the why and for what. So when something doesn\u2019t come out right, like it does in theory, you shouldn\u2019t be discouraged by that, because theoretically you know the why, the for what, the from what, and you know its great importance.<\/p>\n
Everyone has to do it for themselves. Collective work is an example. I don\u2019t know how the teachers should do collective work. I don\u2019t know how other workers will do collective work. Everyone, wherever they are, will have to invent it, create it; they\u2019ll have to imagine it and study it, decide on it and put it into practice.<\/p>\n
But there is indeed strength in collectivism. And we\u2019ve understood that collectivism isn\u2019t just\u2026 we call working the land specifically \u201ccollective work,\u201d but there should also be collectivism in how we imagine good health, good education, and the rest of the thirteen demands we\u2019ve put forth. How do we want these things to be? We have to decide as a collective how we want the laws to be where we live. Not for someone who \u201cknows\u201d how to make law to fuck it up and then it\u2019s the people who have to pay.<\/p>\n
So, that\u2019s what we mean when we say that collectivism isn\u2019t just about how to work the land. It moves through everything. So this collective work, in this case a specific product\u2014we have it here, the compa\u00f1ero<\/em> Doctor Raymundo has it\u2014we hope collectively we can figure out how we\u2019re going to deliver it to the migrant brothers, sisters, compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, compa\u00f1eras<\/em> there in the United States.<\/p>\nSo we think that, given how we\u2019re understanding the great importance of struggle, that we have to struggle against capitalism, that we should come up with other things we can do to support the brothers and sisters, the compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eros<\/em> there in the United States. Because they need support, but we think that this support should be unconditional. Because if we make it conditional it will go off in another direction. We need to support each other so that we can demonstrate that we don\u2019t need those others who want to give support, but with conditions.<\/p>\nSo the coffee is here. Now we have to see who will say \u201cI\u2019ll take it and deliver it.\u201d It\u2019s not for us to sell, but rather that we want to send it to the United States and for the brothers and sisters there to organize themselves to sell it. Because organization is necessary. Today more than ever we see that we need to organize ourselves against capitalism. To struggle and work.<\/p>\n
Once we\u2019ve walked the path that we\u2019ve created through organization, we\u2019re going to realize that we need to reorganize ourselves again. We\u2019ll even have to reeducate ourselves, which is what we\u2019re seeing now, we\u2019re reeducating ourselves. We\u2019re reorganizing what we thought was already organized.<\/p>\n
That\u2019s why it\u2019s so important to organize. What does this word\u2014organize\u2014imply? What does it contain? Maybe it has garlic, maybe oil, maybe condiments. That\u2019s what you\u2019ll have to see. What kind of organization? What is this organization about? What is this organization for? That\u2019s up to each of us.<\/p>\n
Of course we can\u2019t let ourselves stray off course or sell out or give up. Because this is what is asked of those of us who are against capitalism. Because then you would stop struggling. You can\u2019t say that you don\u2019t want to struggle anymore; you can\u2019t say: \u201cI don\u2019t want poverty and misery anymore.\u201d You can\u2019t: if you stop struggling, the misery will get worse.<\/p>\n
These are the things we have to think about. And everyone has to construct what they want to construct, with their struggle, with their organization.<\/p>\n
So we offer this coffee to you here so that you can say who is ready and available\u2014understanding that we\u2019re saying that it\u2019s for those brothers and sisters\u2014and so that you all organize to sell it. And we\u2019re thinking we\u2019re going to have to send even more support, but you all have to be resisting there, because if not, we\u2019re not going to send Trump the coffee. We need the migrant people in the United States to be organizing themselves for when we send them coffee from the next harvest.<\/p>\n
We hope you\u2019ll accompany us in supporting these brothers and sisters however you are able. You\u2019ll have to see how to do that for yourselves.<\/p>\n
Thank you.[:]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
[:es] Caf\u00e9 organizado contra el muro Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s. Seminario “Los muros del capital, las grietas de la izquierda” Cideci \/ Universidad de la Tierra Chiapas 13 de abril de 2017 [podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/rzchiapas\/supmoisesdiados.mp3[\/podcast] Buenas tardes o buenos d\u00edas a los que nos escuchan en el mundo. Lo que les voy a platicar compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, hermanos y […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":20904,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,957,6,118,955],"tags":[644,36,56,926,1107,897,657],"class_list":["post-21026","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-audio","category-autonomia","category-chiapas","category-ezln","category-ezln-temas","tag-comunicados-ezln","tag-comunidades-zapatistas","tag-encuentros","tag-ezln","tag-muros-y-grietas","tag-pensamiento-critico","tag-subcomandante-moises"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21026","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=21026"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21026\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":31109,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/21026\/revisions\/31109"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/20904"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=21026"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=21026"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=21026"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}
\nSubcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s<\/h4>\n
Seminar “The Walls of Capital, the Cracks of the Left”
\nCideci \/ Universidad de la Tierra Chiapas
\n13 April 2017<\/h4>\n
We compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> here in front [members of the EZLN comandancia<\/em>] understand that we serve as support for the thousands of compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who are bases of support; we support the thousands of compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who are bases of support. That\u2019s how we\u2019ve defined it lately because we pass along to them what we see, what we hear, what we come to know. And what is it that we have come to know or hear about? Trump\u2019s wall.<\/p>\n When we started hearing about this, when we began to understand what was going on, we met with the compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eros<\/em> of the Indigenous Revolutionary Clandestine Committee [CCRI] and began to discuss what is happening to our migrant brothers and sisters who are in the United States.<\/p>\n As always, the compa\u00f1eras <\/em>and compa\u00f1eros <\/em>who are comandantas<\/em> and comandantes<\/em> said, \u201cwe are part of them.\u201d That\u2019s what they said: \u201cthey are the same as us.\u201d But what\u2019s going to happen to them is really fucked up, because these migrant brothers and sisters didn\u2019t leave and go there because they wanted to, they went because life in their communities or on the plantations (as not to call them countries anymore) where they were before was crushing them.<\/p>\n So now they have nothing. If they had anything to begin with, they had to sell it or pawn it in order to have money to be able to go to the United States, because it is assumed that there is work there.<\/p>\n So they\u2019re already there and now they\u2019re being chased out. How will they go back to the plantation if they have nothing left? So that\u2019s where, through talking, discussing, thinking, studying, and analyzing, we determined that it\u2019s the same as it was before, hundreds of years ago, it\u2019s just like what happened to our great-grandparents. Then the landowners had the best lands. They took them from us, they evicted us, and they sent us to the hills. Now they want to take the hills away from us. Before they didn\u2019t want them, and now they do: there\u2019s something there they want. So now where will we go, those of us who are still living on our land? But [our migrant brothers and sisters] aren\u2019t on their land anymore. They left it behind, they sold it, or they undersold it. So now they have nowhere to go.<\/p>\n So one compa\u00f1ero<\/em> from the CCRI said: \u201cyes, it\u2019s true,\u201d and gave the example of the Ford factory. That crazy Trump is taking that company back so that the factory is in the United States. Once again, here in Mexico those who were working there will be out of work. The factory will go there and there will be work there. There will be work for those who are from there, but for the migrants there will be no work.<\/p>\n So from there our question was \u201cwhat are we going to do?\u201d And we said: \u201cwe have to support them.\u201d We have to tell them to struggle there because they have nowhere to go.<\/p>\n So we started to remember the year 1994, 1995\u2026 at that time we asked civil society, in Mexico and around the world to help us. So we started to say: we think that now it\u2019s our turn, that we have to support them, just like the people in solidarity who helped us because they saw we were in struggle. It\u2019s also up to us to support these communities, to tell them to struggle with resistance and rebellion. Because they have no other option.<\/p>\n So we began to shake out our pockets: we don\u2019t have euros, we don\u2019t have dollars, we don\u2019t have anything. But we discovered that we do have the results of the collective work of the communities, of the regions, of the Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion, and of the zones, where the Juntas de Buen Gobierno<\/em> [Good Government Councils] work.<\/p>\n We said: yes, there are plantains, there\u2019s yucca, there\u2019s sweet potato\u2026but all that will rot, what are we going to do? Then the idea was born, just like the compa<\/em> said. The compa\u00f1ero<\/em> Dr. Raymundo is here, he now has in his hands over three-thousand kilos of coffee, already here, ready to be prepared, ready to drink.<\/p>\n So we said that\u2019s how we can help. As a first effort, our brothers and sisters there can organize themselves to sell it, to turn it into dollars, to transform it into struggle, into resistance and rebellion there where they are. Then we said: but we\u2019ll need pretty good coffee, because the thought came up that we might not be able to collect it all so quickly. So then it was a matter of talking with the bases of support to explain what this was about, why and for what, just like whose who helped us during those years when we were in need had done.<\/p>\n But then the concern came up that \u201cthe coffee will be varied, some really light because it was just roasted golden, some really black because it\u2019s roasted until its almost burnt.\u201d All of the coffee is different. So we decided it was better to think about it collectively. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> comandantes<\/em> and comandantas<\/em> went back to their zones and explained it, and the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> there said: Yes!<\/p>\n There are compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> in the communities who grow coffee and others who don\u2019t. So the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> said: since we\u2019re organized in a collective, instead of the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> or compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who grow coffee selling it somewhere else, we\u2019ll buy it from them and use the funds from collective work in the community to pay for it. Others thought that this should be done at the level of the region\u2014 what we call a region is composed of 20, 30, 40 communities. These compa\u00f1eros<\/em> said: let\u2019s buy our own coffee from what we have already, and the payment will come from the collective work of the region. In some zones they thought we should do it like that. Other zones said: the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who are authorities of the Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion should be in charge of it. The money should come out of the funds generated by collective work and they should buy coffee from the compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, and also from our brothers and sisters if we don\u2019t have enough, depending on the situation of each zone. Others said: we already have collective work at the level of each zone, that is, in the Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em>. So we just need the assembly of authorities, women and men, to reach an agreement and then the Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em> will be responsible for buying the coffee from the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em>. That\u2019s how we managed to get it all together within days.<\/p>\n From there, as I told you, we thought that the coffee should be pretty high quality. So we sent the 5,000 kilos of coffee that we had gathered, still as coffee beans in the husk, to the collectives of compa\u00f1eros<\/em> in the zone where there is a machine to roast it, a machine to grind the coffee. Now there are 3,791.5 kilos of ground coffee that came from the 5,000 kilos of beans.<\/p>\n We were confident then that it was just up to the machine to roast it and grind it. So the zones got organized to figure out how many workers would go to help run the machine, including compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who know how to grind the coffee. We were really happy because at that point it was just up to the machine, and on the first day, the machine fucking broke. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who were there were saying: \u201csomeone sabotaged it.\u201d Other said: \u201cWhat? No, no it wasn\u2019t sabotage.\u201d We had to see how we were going to fix it.<\/p>\n An insurgent compa\u00f1ero, <\/em>Sergio, was around, so they called him. \u201cDo you think you could help us out? To see what\u2019s going on.\u201d So the insurgent compa\u00f1ero<\/em> went to check it out. It turned out that one of the ball bearings was locked. But it wasn\u2019t capitalism\u2019s fault. So then we began to explain: it\u2019s not capitalism\u2019s fault; it\u2019s not the mafia of power. This is our own problem because we didn\u2019t do upkeep on the machine. Then a compa\u00f1ero<\/em> who was there said: there\u2019s grease here, we have cebo<\/em> (fat from livestock; without salt, it\u2019s used as grease), so we don\u2019t need to buy grease. The only thing lacking was a good cleaning, regular maintenance.<\/p>\n In sum, that\u2019s what we needed to to do for the work to come out well.<\/p>\n So we started coordinating, because all the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who were in charge of roasting were already there; the compa\u00f1era<\/em> was already there waiting, because the work is organized by days. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who are the drivers were there too, waiting to load and transport the product. The compa\u00f1eros<\/em> who were to bag and seal everything were there. But everything was stalled because the machine sabotaged itself. So that\u2019s when the organization started. There\u2019s a group of compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> from the city who help out, and we had to ask if they could get us another ball bearing and bring it part of the way and we would send a compa\u00f1ero<\/em> to go pick it up from them.<\/p>\n When we organize and coordinate collectively, it\u2019s like a wheel: it turns evenly. That\u2019s how we immediately resolved this, because everything had been stalled. The insurgent compa\u00f1ero<\/em> took out the ball bearing and put in the new one\u2026and we got back to work. So, now we have the coffee.<\/p>\n The idea is that this is for the compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, compa\u00f1eras<\/em>, migrant brothers and sisters in the United States. It\u2019s to support their struggle. It\u2019s how we say to them: it\u2019s necessary for you to organize yourselves where you are and to resist and rebel. How? That\u2019s what they have to think about.<\/p>\n The support we\u2019re offering is unconditional, just like how we supported our brothers and sisters who are teachers here in Chiapas. We supported them not so that they would become our bases of support or so that we could say \u201cthis is what you have to do.\u201d They\u2019re the ones who have to decide that for themselves. We learned from what we were taught in the years \u201894 and \u201895. We saw and discovered how resistance and rebellion are weapons of struggle.<\/p>\n This is what we figured out with the compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and \u00a0compa\u00f1eras <\/em>who are comandantes<\/em> and comandantas<\/em>. We asked ourselves: what if in \u201994 we hadn\u2019t listened to the idea of the compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eros<\/em> bases of support, because they said then that as bases of support they had to fight too, but not with weapons like those of the compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and compa\u00f1eras milicianas<\/em>, milicianos<\/em>, and insurgentes<\/em> and insurgentas<\/em>. Rather, we\u2019re against the government\u2014that\u2019s what they said\u2014and therefore we can\u2019t sell out, we can\u2019t give up, we can\u2019t stray off course. We have to reject their handouts, their leftovers, their crumbs. We understood that and we started to think about how to do it. And thanks to that we\u2019re here speaking today, because we\u2019ve been fighting for 23 years with that weapon called resistance and rebellion.<\/p>\n So, we made this comparison with the compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and compa\u00f1eras<\/em> who are comandantes <\/em>and comandantas<\/em>: if there had been 23 years of shootings, bombings, and ambushes, there would be no Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion. There would be no Juntas de Buen Gobierno<\/em>. There would be no education, that is Zapatista schools. There would be no Zapatista clinics or hospitals. All the encuentros<\/em> [encounters or gatherings] we\u2019ve held wouldn\u2019t have happened because there wouldn\u2019t have been time. What there would have been was 23 years of gunshots.<\/p>\n But that weapon that we discovered is what has made us who we are today. And in order to use that weapon of struggle, resistance and rebellion, of course we had to organize ourselves. And that\u2019s what has made it possible for us to construct a small world with a new system of government.<\/p>\n Everyone has to decide for themselves, but we\u2019ve seen that with this weapon of struggle, with resistance and rebellion, it can be done. And it\u2019s not that we\u2019re rejecting that other tool that we have\u2014we call our firearms tools. For us, they are one more tool among others, like having machetes, chainsaws, axes; it\u2019s like having many kinds of tools, among which we include our firearms\u2014that is, guns. And when it\u2019s necessary you have to use it, but you have to know how to use it.<\/p>\n Because as we\u2019ve already heard here, the capitalist enemy is not going to leave us alone. They\u2019re not going to accept that now the people, women and men, are going to rule. They\u2019ll never allow us do it. They\u2019re not going negotiate or dialogue about their forms of exploitation. They\u2019re not going to say: \u201cokay well, I\u2019m just going to halfway exploit you now.\u201d That\u2019s not going to happen. They\u2019re not going to say: \u201cah, okay, I\u2019m going to renounce exploitation.\u201d That won\u2019t happen either. The only thing to do is for the people, women and men, to organize themselves.<\/p>\n So, collective work sounds really nice, really lovely. It\u2019s one thing to talk about it in theory, that is, by explaining; it\u2019s another to do it in practice. But theory helps us understand its great importance, the necessity and the why and for what. So when something doesn\u2019t come out right, like it does in theory, you shouldn\u2019t be discouraged by that, because theoretically you know the why, the for what, the from what, and you know its great importance.<\/p>\n Everyone has to do it for themselves. Collective work is an example. I don\u2019t know how the teachers should do collective work. I don\u2019t know how other workers will do collective work. Everyone, wherever they are, will have to invent it, create it; they\u2019ll have to imagine it and study it, decide on it and put it into practice.<\/p>\n But there is indeed strength in collectivism. And we\u2019ve understood that collectivism isn\u2019t just\u2026 we call working the land specifically \u201ccollective work,\u201d but there should also be collectivism in how we imagine good health, good education, and the rest of the thirteen demands we\u2019ve put forth. How do we want these things to be? We have to decide as a collective how we want the laws to be where we live. Not for someone who \u201cknows\u201d how to make law to fuck it up and then it\u2019s the people who have to pay.<\/p>\n So, that\u2019s what we mean when we say that collectivism isn\u2019t just about how to work the land. It moves through everything. So this collective work, in this case a specific product\u2014we have it here, the compa\u00f1ero<\/em> Doctor Raymundo has it\u2014we hope collectively we can figure out how we\u2019re going to deliver it to the migrant brothers, sisters, compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, compa\u00f1eras<\/em> there in the United States.<\/p>\n So we think that, given how we\u2019re understanding the great importance of struggle, that we have to struggle against capitalism, that we should come up with other things we can do to support the brothers and sisters, the compa\u00f1eras<\/em> and compa\u00f1eros<\/em> there in the United States. Because they need support, but we think that this support should be unconditional. Because if we make it conditional it will go off in another direction. We need to support each other so that we can demonstrate that we don\u2019t need those others who want to give support, but with conditions.<\/p>\n So the coffee is here. Now we have to see who will say \u201cI\u2019ll take it and deliver it.\u201d It\u2019s not for us to sell, but rather that we want to send it to the United States and for the brothers and sisters there to organize themselves to sell it. Because organization is necessary. Today more than ever we see that we need to organize ourselves against capitalism. To struggle and work.<\/p>\n Once we\u2019ve walked the path that we\u2019ve created through organization, we\u2019re going to realize that we need to reorganize ourselves again. We\u2019ll even have to reeducate ourselves, which is what we\u2019re seeing now, we\u2019re reeducating ourselves. We\u2019re reorganizing what we thought was already organized.<\/p>\n That\u2019s why it\u2019s so important to organize. What does this word\u2014organize\u2014imply? What does it contain? Maybe it has garlic, maybe oil, maybe condiments. That\u2019s what you\u2019ll have to see. What kind of organization? What is this organization about? What is this organization for? That\u2019s up to each of us.<\/p>\n Of course we can\u2019t let ourselves stray off course or sell out or give up. Because this is what is asked of those of us who are against capitalism. Because then you would stop struggling. You can\u2019t say that you don\u2019t want to struggle anymore; you can\u2019t say: \u201cI don\u2019t want poverty and misery anymore.\u201d You can\u2019t: if you stop struggling, the misery will get worse.<\/p>\n These are the things we have to think about. And everyone has to construct what they want to construct, with their struggle, with their organization.<\/p>\n So we offer this coffee to you here so that you can say who is ready and available\u2014understanding that we\u2019re saying that it\u2019s for those brothers and sisters\u2014and so that you all organize to sell it. And we\u2019re thinking we\u2019re going to have to send even more support, but you all have to be resisting there, because if not, we\u2019re not going to send Trump the coffee. We need the migrant people in the United States to be organizing themselves for when we send them coffee from the next harvest.<\/p>\n We hope you\u2019ll accompany us in supporting these brothers and sisters however you are able. You\u2019ll have to see how to do that for yourselves.<\/p>\n Thank you.[:]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":" [:es] Caf\u00e9 organizado contra el muro Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s. Seminario “Los muros del capital, las grietas de la izquierda” Cideci \/ Universidad de la Tierra Chiapas 13 de abril de 2017 [podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/rzchiapas\/supmoisesdiados.mp3[\/podcast] Buenas tardes o buenos d\u00edas a los que nos escuchan en el mundo. 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