{"id":13238,"date":"2015-05-11T11:29:58","date_gmt":"2015-05-11T16:29:58","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=13238"},"modified":"2015-11-29T18:52:53","modified_gmt":"2015-11-30T00:52:53","slug":"palabras-del-subcomandante-insurgente-moises-seminario-%e2%80%9cel-pensamiento-critico-frente-a-la-hidra-capitalista%e2%80%9d-6-de-mayo-de-2015","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=13238","title":{"rendered":"<!--:es-->Palabras del Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s. Seminario \u201cEl Pensamiento Cr\u00edtico frente a la Hidra Capitalista\u201d, 6 de mayo de 2015<!--:--><!--:en-->Resistance and Rebellion I. Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s. May 6, 2015<!--:-->"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--:es--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Palabras del Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-13240\" title=\"IMG_1507\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071.jpg 1037w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Escucha aqu\u00ed: [podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/pensamiento\/6mayo_sup-moises.mp3[\/podcast]<\/p>\n<p>6 de mayo de 2015<\/p>\n<p>Buenas tardes, compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, hermanos y hermanas.<\/p>\n<p>Les voy a compartir sobre el c\u00f3mo es que nosotros, nosotras, la tenemos como nuestras armas la resistencia y la rebeld\u00eda.<\/p>\n<p>Antes de empezar eso, el c\u00f3mo es que hacemos la resistencia y la  rebeld\u00eda, les quiero recordarles que nosotros somos armados. Ah\u00ed tenemos  nuestras armas, como una herramienta m\u00e1s en la lucha, as\u00ed lo decimos  ahora. Nuestras armas es una herramienta de lucha, es como machete,  hacha, martillo, pico, pala, azadones, esas cosas; porque cada  herramienta tiene su funci\u00f3n, pero el arma, su funci\u00f3n es, si las usas,  es que matas.<br \/>\n<!--:--><!--:en--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-13240\" title=\"IMG_1507\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2015\/05\/IMG_15071.jpg 1037w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Listen here: [podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/pensamiento\/6mayo_sup-moises.mp3[\/podcast]<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><strong>Words of Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s<br \/>\nMay 6, 2015<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Good afternoon, <em>compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras<\/em>, brothers and sisters.<\/p>\n<p>I am going to talk to you about how our resistance and rebellion are our weapons.<\/p>\n<p>Before we begin talking about resistance and rebellion, I want to  remind you that we are an armed group. We have our weapons, as one more  tool in the struggle, that\u2019s how we explain it now. Our weapons are a  tool of struggle, just like the machete, axe, hammer, pick, shovel, hoe,  and other such things. Each of these tools has its function, but the  function of a weapon, well, if you use it, you kill.<\/p>\n<p>So in the beginning, when we rose up at the dawn of the year 1994, a  movement of thousands of Mexicans from all over the country emerged,  grew to millions, and pressured the government, the baldy\u2014that\u2019s what we  call him, Salinas the baldy\u2014to sit down and dialogue with us, and at  the same time urged us to sit down to dialogue and negotiate.<\/p>\n<p>We understood the call of the people of Mexico. So we gave the order  to retreat from violent struggle. It was then that we discovered,  through the <em>compa\u00f1eras<\/em>\u2014because in combat our people died\u2014but the <em>compa\u00f1eras<\/em> were developing what we might call another way to struggle. Because the  government, a month later, a year, two years later, wanted to buy us  off, as we put it, they wanted us to accept aid and forget about  struggle.<\/p>\n<p><!--:--><!--more--><!--:es--><\/p>\n<p>Entonces al principio cuando salimos en el amanecer del a\u00f1o 1994  sali\u00f3 el movimiento de miles de mexicanos y mexicanas, en todas partes,  donde salen hasta que se convirti\u00f3 a millones, donde presionan al  gobierno, al pel\u00f3n, le decimos nosotros, el pel\u00f3n de Salinas, que tiene  que sentarse a dialogar a nosotros; y a la vez tambi\u00e9n a nosotros nos  est\u00e1n diciendo que tenemos que dialogar y negociar.<\/p>\n<p>Bueno, entonces lo entendimos pues, la voz del pueblo de M\u00e9xico.  Entonces se dio la orden de que tenemos que replegarnos en la lucha  violenta; entonces descubrimos, por parte de las compa\u00f1eras, porque  tuvimos nuestros muertos en el combate, que esas compa\u00f1eras empezaron a  dar otra forma de pelear, digamos as\u00ed. Porque entonces el gobierno,  meses, un a\u00f1o, dos a\u00f1os despu\u00e9s, nos quieren comprar, como decimos,  quieren que nosotros recibamos para que nos olvidamos de la lucha.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces muchas compa\u00f1eras hablaron y dijeron de que por qu\u00e9 y para  qu\u00e9 murieron los compa\u00f1eros en el amanecer del 94. As\u00ed como ellos,  ellas, o sea los combatientes salimos a pelear contra el enemigo,  entonces tenemos que ver como enemigo tambi\u00e9n el que nos quiere comprar,  o sea que no recibir eso, lo que quieren dar.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces as\u00ed empez\u00f3. Nos cost\u00f3 mucho porque no pod\u00edamos hacer los  contactos de zonas a otras zonas porque se llen\u00f3 de militares, entonces  poco a poco fuimos haciendo los contactos con los compa\u00f1eros de una zona  a otra zona para empezar a pasar esa voz que empezaron a decir las  compa\u00f1eras, que no hay que recibir lo que da el mal gobierno, que as\u00ed  como los combatientes salieron a pelear en contra de los enemigos que  nos explota, as\u00ed tenemos que hacer tambi\u00e9n como bases en que no hay que  recibir eso. Entonces as\u00ed, poco a poco, fue extendi\u00e9ndose en todas las  zonas.<\/p>\n<p>Ya ahorita ya podemos dar varios sentidos lo que es rebeld\u00eda y  resistencia para nosotros, porque es que ya fuimos descubriendo,  practicando en los hechos, o sea ya podemos dar teor\u00eda, como se dice.  Para nosotros resistencia es ponerse fuerte, duro, para dar respuesta a  todo, cualquiera de los ataques del enemigo, del sistema; y rebelde es  ser bravos, bravas para igual responder o para hacer las acciones, seg\u00fan  la que convenga, ser bravas, bravos para hacer las acciones o lo que  necesitamos hacer.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces la resistencia descubrimos que no es nada m\u00e1s resistir a tu  enemigo, de no recibir lo que da, las limosnas o sobrantes. Descubrimos  que la resistencia, hay que resistir las amenazas o provocaciones que  hace el enemigo, hasta por ejemplo, los ruidos de los helic\u00f3pteros; s\u00f3lo  nada m\u00e1s con el ruido de los helic\u00f3pteros empiezas a tener miedo,  porque la cabeza te avisa que te va a matar, entonces sales corriendo y  es ah\u00ed donde te ven, y es ah\u00ed donde ya te ametrallan. Entonces es no  tenerle miedo, hay que tener resistencia, o sea tienes que ponerte  fuerte de que no corras cuando escuchas el ruido. De por s\u00ed el pinche  ruidero del helic\u00f3ptero da miedo, te espanta, y es nada m\u00e1s no tenerle  miedo, quedarte quieto, quieta.<\/p>\n<p>Descubrimos eso, que no s\u00f3lo es la de no recibir. Nuestra rabia,  nuestro coraje contra el sistema tambi\u00e9n tenemos que resistirla, y lo  dif\u00edcil o lo bueno, dif\u00edcil y bueno al mismo tiempo, es que esa  resistencia y rebeld\u00eda hay que organizarla. \u00bfY cu\u00e1l es lo dif\u00edcil? Es  que somos miles los que usamos esa arma de resistencia y somos miles  tambi\u00e9n que se puede convertir la rabia, entonces, c\u00f3mo controlar eso,  c\u00f3mo usar al mismo tiempo para hacer la lucha, son dos cosas dif\u00edciles,  por eso empec\u00e9 diciendo que ah\u00ed tenemos nuestras armas.<\/p>\n<p>Pero lo que hemos visto es que la resistencia sabi\u00e9ndola organizarla y  teniendo organizaci\u00f3n primero, por supuesto, no puede haber as\u00ed nada  m\u00e1s resistencia y rebeld\u00eda si no hay organizaci\u00f3n, entonces organizar  esas dos armas de lucha nos ayud\u00f3 mucho para tener, digamos que se abre  m\u00e1s la mente, la forma de ver.<\/p>\n<p>Recuerdo de una asamblea de compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras, de qu\u00e9 forma,  porque es que se hace con trabajo pol\u00edtico, ideol\u00f3gico, mucha pl\u00e1tica,  mucha orientaci\u00f3n a los pueblos sobre la resistencia y la rebeld\u00eda.  Entonces recuerdo que los compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras ponen en la balanza,  esa que se dice <em>la lucha pol\u00edtica pac\u00edfica <\/em>y <em>la lucha violenta. <\/em>Entonces  algunos de nuestros compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, dicen: \u00bfqu\u00e9 les pas\u00f3 a  nuestros hermanos de Guatemala? \u2013nos hacemos la pregunta\u00ad\u2013 30 a\u00f1os de  lucha violenta y qu\u00e9 cosa hay lo que tienen ahora nuestros hermanos.<\/p>\n<p>\u00bfPor qu\u00e9 tenemos que organizar bien la resistencia en la lucha  pol\u00edtica pac\u00edfica? \u00bfPor qu\u00e9 tenemos que preparar nuestra resistencia  militar? \u00bfCu\u00e1l es la que nos conviene?<\/p>\n<p>Entonces nos damos cuenta ah\u00ed que lo que queremos es la vida, como lo  que dec\u00edamos antes de la sociedad civil mexicana, que esa movilizaci\u00f3n  que hicieron el 12 de enero de 94 es que quieren nuestra vida, que no  nos muri\u00e9ramos. \u00bfEntonces c\u00f3mo tenemos que hacer eso? \u00bfQu\u00e9 cosa tenemos  que hacer m\u00e1s para hacer la resistencia y la rebeld\u00eda?<\/p>\n<p>Es ah\u00ed donde descubrimos que hay que resistir sobre las burlas que  nos vaya a hacer la gente sobre nuestro gobernar, nuestra autonom\u00eda. Hay  que resistir las provocaciones del ej\u00e9rcito y la polic\u00eda. Hay que  resistir los problemas que vayan a causar las organizaciones sociales.  Hay que resistir todas las informaciones que salgan en los medios, de  eso que dicen que los zapatistas ya se acabaron, ya no tienen fuerza, en  este caso, que el finado Marcos que ya est\u00e1 negociando bajo la mesa con  Calder\u00f3n, o que est\u00e1 d\u00e1ndole paga para su salud el Calder\u00f3n porque ya  se va a morir, bueno, ya est\u00e1 muerto ya, muri\u00f3 de por s\u00ed (inaudible),  pero no porque \u00e9l se fue a (inaudible) al Calder\u00f3n, sino por darle vida a  otro compa\u00f1ero.<\/p>\n<p>Bueno todos esos bombardeos psicol\u00f3gicos, podemos decir, para que  entonces se desmoralicen nuestras bases, un mont\u00f3n de cosas que hay que  resistir.<\/p>\n<p>Luego descubrimos la resistencia a todos nosotros, porque empezamos a  tener varios trabajos, responsabilidades, pues en este caso a nosotros  hay problemas en la casa, no s\u00e9 ustedes a lo mejor no, entonces surgen  los problemas y la resistencia se empieza a aplicar individualmente, y  al mismo tiempo la resistencia se aplica colectivamente.<\/p>\n<p>Cuando hacemos individualmente es cuando pues mi pap\u00e1, mi mam\u00e1 o mi  mujer \u2018\u00bfd\u00f3nde est\u00e1s?, \u00bfqu\u00e9 est\u00e1s haciendo?, \u00bfcon qui\u00e9n andas?\u2019,  etc\u00e9tera, \u00bfno? Entonces uno tiene que resistir de que no vaya a hacer  nada mal que pega a la mujer o abandona su trabajo, porque luego hay  reclamos, que no hay ma\u00edz, que no hay frijol, que no est\u00e1 la le\u00f1a, y hay  problemas con los hijos. Es ah\u00ed donde se individualiza la resistencia.<\/p>\n<p>Cuando se hace en colectivo la resistencia es que es con disciplina,  es decir, con acuerdo. Es que nos ponemos de acuerdo c\u00f3mo le vamos a  hacer para enfrentar algunos problemas. Por ejemplo, les voy a dar un  ejemplo reciente. Hace cosa de\u2026 pues creo el mes de febrero, un grupo de  personas con otro grupo de un terreno recuperado que ah\u00ed est\u00e1 viviendo  esa gente que no son zapatistas, que no les estamos diciendo nada, pero  ellos tienen la idea de que quieren ser due\u00f1os de la tierra, entonces  est\u00e1n gestionando la tierra para que se legalice.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces se ve de que el se\u00f1or Velasco les est\u00e1 diciendo que se  necesita cierta cantidad de personas, entonces esas personas empiezan a  buscar en otros lados m\u00e1s miembros del pueblo, entonces esos miembros  ahora s\u00ed empezaron a llegar armados. Llegaron a ser 58 personas,  entonces empezaron a invadir el terreno de los compas, la tierra  recuperada. Entonces los compas no lo vamos a dejar.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u00bfCu\u00e1ntos son?<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Pues son cerca de 60.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Basta que llevamos 600 armas y lo acabamos, porque es que tantas burlas que ya hicieron.<\/p>\n<p>El potrero de los compa\u00f1eros se metieron ese l\u00edquido para quemar, con  el l\u00edquido mataron a un semental, destruyeron casas de los compa\u00f1eros  antes. Entonces los compas ya estaban as\u00ed rebeldes, bravos, ya no  quieren m\u00e1s la maldad que hacen. Entonces es cuando intervienen los  compas as\u00ed:<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Recuerden, compas, nosotros somos un colectivo.<\/p>\n<p>Y le dicen a los compa\u00f1eros, los 600 que se reunieron:<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Acu\u00e9rdense de la naranja, \u00bfqu\u00e9 hemos dicho cuando una fruta se pica?, \u00bfqu\u00e9 pasa?<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Ah s\u00ed. \u00bfS\u00ed, pero entonces esos cabrones acaso lo entienden as\u00ed?<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Esos cabrones no nos van a imponer su tiempo de esos cabrones, sino era de nosotros.<\/p>\n<p>\u00bfQu\u00e9 es lo que pasa a una naranja o una lima si lo picamos? Es que se  pudre todo, \u00bfy en este caso qu\u00e9 quiere decir? Que lo vamos a afectar al  resto de nuestra organizaci\u00f3n. Tenemos que preguntarle a la base si es  que entonces vamos a dar respuestas violentas, entonces ya que sepan  nuestras bases que vamos a entrar en otro modo. Entonces como ya  ven\u00edamos pensando de por s\u00ed esto, lo que estamos llevando a cabo ahora,  lo que estamos haciendo ahorita, entonces nuestras bases no permiten que  se haga as\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces, lo que se les dijo a los compas es que los que est\u00e1n muy  rebeldes, bravos, encabronados, no van a ir, s\u00f3lo dejen dicho nada m\u00e1s  con sus representantes que no se van a ir porque si van, van a matar,  entonces mejor no se van, digan a su responsable y que ya se sepa, y el  que no se reporta es su problema de \u00e9l. Tambi\u00e9n los que tienen mucho  miedo, tampoco se vayan. S\u00f3lo los que entienden hay que ir, no va a ir a  provocar, sino va a ir a trabajar la tierra, o sea a trabajar la milpa,  la casa y lo que se tiene que construir. Amaneciendo, los 600 se  fueron, lo dejaron sus armas. Se coordinaron qui\u00e9n va a controlar.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces es como se hace el control de las dos cosas, la rabia pero  tambi\u00e9n el miedo. Se busca, se da explicaci\u00f3n, se da pl\u00e1tica, se da de  entender, porque es verdad, que no van a permitir eso la gran mayor\u00eda de  los compa\u00f1eros.<\/p>\n<p>Esa resistencia a lo largo ya de 20 a\u00f1os que venimos trabajando, al  principio nos cost\u00f3 mucho porque son situaciones que nos enfrentamos y  que tenemos que saber solucionar. Les voy a dar un ejemplo, \u00bfc\u00f3mo es que  nos cuesta cambiarlo? Cuando estaba en su gobierno de Salinas entonces  daban los proyectos, daban proyectos en efectivo, o sea daban cr\u00e9dito,  entonces recib\u00edan los compas, entonces imag\u00ednense pues que ya son  milicianos, cabos, sargentos, o sea zapatistas. Entonces esto lo que  est\u00e1 dando este cabr\u00f3n la mitad se va para las balas, el arma y el  equipo, y la otra mitad es que vamos a comprar la vaca, o sea de lo  mismo que dio el gobierno se consigui\u00f3 una vaca, por eso ya el gobierno  despu\u00e9s ya no dio, nom\u00e1s les dio a los hermanos partidistas.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces los compas ten\u00edan esa idea, por eso estoy diciendo, entonces  cuando sali\u00f3 eso empezamos a planificar eso de ya no recibir. Nos cost\u00f3  mucho, pero s\u00ed lo entendieron los compas. Dijeron los compas, bueno, s\u00ed  lo vamos a hacer, vamos a hacer esa resistencia. Entonces el negativo  donde nos da el resultado es que cuando nos vamos a reunir, entonces  dicen \u2018yo no pude llegar porque yo estoy en resistencia, no tengo  dinero, no tengo para mi pasaje\u2019, eso es el pretexto, no es porque no,  sino es para taparse, es un pretexto.<\/p>\n<p>Pero como fuimos agarrando en serio eso de no agarrar nada del  sistema, entonces descubrimos de que tenemos que darle duro al trabajo  de la madre tierra, eso ya les cont\u00e9 estos d\u00edas que hemos estado ac\u00e1. Es  ah\u00ed donde empezaron a tener sus productos los compa\u00f1eros y se dieron  cuenta los compas de que m\u00e1s vale trabajar la tierra y as\u00ed nos olvidamos  de lo que da el gobierno.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces en la resistencia y la rebeld\u00eda nos empezamos a darnos  cuenta de la seguridad a la organizaci\u00f3n en que estamos. Entonces se  empez\u00f3 a descubrir un mont\u00f3n de cosas, por ejemplo eso que les digo, que  no hablamos con el gobierno, ni nuestras bases, ni a\u00fan haya asesinatos.  Descubrimos que con resistencia y con rebeld\u00eda podemos gobernarse y que  con resistencia y con rebeld\u00eda podemos desarrollar nuestras propias  iniciativas.<\/p>\n<p>Nuestra resistencia de hacer las cosas, ya sea en el terreno  econ\u00f3mico, ya sea en el terreno ideol\u00f3gico, pol\u00edtico, cada qui\u00e9n la zona  organiza. Unos tienen m\u00e1s posibilidades, otros tienen menos  posibilidades, entonces vamos haciendo experimento. Por ejemplo, los  compa\u00f1eros de Los Altos durante sus vidas ellos est\u00e1n comprando el ma\u00edz,  siembran pero muy poco, la gran parte tienen que comprar; y en otras  zonas lo que hacen es llevar el ma\u00edz, en vez de que compran en almac\u00e9n,  en la bodega del gobierno, y que su dinerito de los compas de Los Altos  se va en el gobierno, entonces mejor que se vaya en otro caracol.  Entonces algunas veces nos ha salido bien, otras veces nos ha salido  mal, pero es el mal que nosotros mismos lo producimos, porque s\u00ed, es que  se lleva por tonelada, entonces los compa\u00f1eros encargados de juntar el  ma\u00edz no lo revisan y los compas bases de apoyo, as\u00ed de cabrones, meten  en medio el (inaudible) del ma\u00edz, y ya los otros compas tampoco lo  revisan, entonces pasa, se va. Ya cuando llega a su destino donde se va a  consumir entonces ah\u00ed s\u00ed lo revisan bien, y es ah\u00ed donde les caen que  est\u00e1n vendiendo ma\u00edz (inaudible) entre compas, a los compas pues.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces vamos corrigiendo eso, de que no se trata de eso. Si estamos  en resistencia es organizar bien la resistencia. El intercambio, como  se dice, o el trueque no funcion\u00f3 para nosotros, porque en Los Altos no  podemos llevarlo toneladas de pera o manzana, no se vende en la selva,  que es lo que producen mucho los compas, verdura. Entonces no, estamos  viendo c\u00f3mo lo vamos a hacer, ya estamos discuti\u00e9ndola, que casi vamos a  la mitad sobre eso de c\u00f3mo organizarlo.<\/p>\n<p>Les voy a empezar a dar una serie de ejemplos. En el a\u00f1o 98, que es  cuando desmantelaron nuestros municipios aut\u00f3nomos, cuando estaba  todav\u00eda el Croquetas, el Albores de gobernador, en Tierra y Libertad,  all\u00e1 por el Caracol I, en la Realidad, entraron los judiciales,  destruyeron la casa del municipio aut\u00f3nomo y los compa\u00f1eros milicianos  sobre todo, estaban pidiendo de que entonces le van a darle a los  judiciales, realmente son soldados, estaban disfrazados de judiciales, y  se les dijo no. Acudimos a las bases de apoyo, porque son los compas  milicianos que estaban con la rabia, de que para qu\u00e9 nos est\u00e1n  destruyendo nuestra casa en la autonom\u00eda.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces acudimos a los pueblos, y los pueblos dicen: que lo  destruyan, la autonom\u00eda la tenemos aqu\u00ed y la tenemos aqu\u00ed, la casa no es  casa. Entonces recibimos apoyo y con m\u00e1s raz\u00f3n se da la orden de que no  pueden hacer nada los milicianos, y nosotros pagamos el costo de la  rabia, entonces nuestros milicianos dec\u00edan \u2018pinches mandos\u2019. Entonces  esas cosas empezamos a descubrir que a veces el coraje de la base, y que  se ve que no nos va a ayudar a lo que se quiere hacer, entonces a veces  paga el comit\u00e9 clandestino, o el regional, a los que tienen  responsabilidad.<\/p>\n<p>Otro ejemplo est\u00e1 cuando nos destruyeron nuestro primer  Aguascalientes, el ej\u00e9rcito. Es lo mismo, nosotros est\u00e1bamos puestos,  insurgentes y milicianos, porque sab\u00edamos que como que si te quitan una  parte sientes que ya est\u00e1s derrotado, es que lo pensamos muy  militarmente. Porque militarmente si es que pierdes una batalla ya te  chingaste y te da gana de volver a recuperar, pero tienes que hacer el  doble para que recuperes. Entonces otra vez eso nos orienta.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u00bfQu\u00e9 es lo que queremos, la muerte o la vida?<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Pues la vida.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 Entonces que entren estos cabrones, no lo vamos a matar pero tampoco nos matan.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013 \u00bfEntonces c\u00f3mo vamos a hacerlo si ya est\u00e1n tendidas las emboscadas?<\/p>\n<p>\u00ad\u00ad\u2013 Pues hay que mandar la comunicaci\u00f3n.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces tuvimos que levantar y as\u00ed lo evitamos mucha muerte, por  parte de nosotros y tambi\u00e9n por parte del enemigo. En una de las  emboscadas s\u00ed se dio la (inaudible), y es ah\u00ed donde cay\u00f3, luego lo  (inaudible), al general que cay\u00f3 en Mom\u00f3n, el general Monterola, era  Coronel creo, en ese tiempo.<\/p>\n<p>Y as\u00ed pas\u00f3 tambi\u00e9n en el Caracol de la Garrucha cuando hubo la  desmantelaci\u00f3n de los municipios aut\u00f3nomos, sobre el municipio aut\u00f3nomo  Ricardo Flores Mag\u00f3n. Lo mismo, se manda decir de que no se tiene que  dar respuesta a la violencia que quer\u00edan el enemigo y el gobierno.Y as\u00ed  la hemos pasado tantas provocaciones que buscan los que se dejan  manipularse, en este caso de los partidistas.<\/p>\n<p>Eso le ha pasado a los compa\u00f1eros los que han recibido mucho esos  golpes, b\u00fasqueda de provocaciones, son los compa\u00f1eros del caracol de  Morelia, el de Oventik, de Garrucha y Roberto Barrios, donde han actuado  muy cruel los paramilitares es en Roberto Barrios y en Garrucha, en  Morelia, en Oventik.<\/p>\n<p>Por ejemplo, en San Marcos Avil\u00e9s, donde est\u00e1n nuestras bases, tantas  veces que han molestado. Lo que hacen los paramilitares es lo obligan a  que caiga, se ve que est\u00e1 bien entrenado por parte del ej\u00e9rcito y del  gobierno, porque es que te fastidia; est\u00e1 llevando tu caf\u00e9, tu frijol,  tu ma\u00edz, te arrancan las plantas que siembras, tumban el platanal,  llevan la pi\u00f1a que siembras, o sea te fastidian. Hasta que un d\u00eda ya  nuestras bases dijeron ya, y lo bueno es porque esa rebeld\u00eda y esa  resistencia es que se organiza en colectivo, entonces los compa\u00f1eros y  compa\u00f1eras bases de San Marcos Avil\u00e9s acuden a la Junta de Buen Gobierno  a decir: venimos a decir que ya no aguantamos, no nos importa que nos  vamos a morir pero tambi\u00e9n los vamos a llevar.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces ah\u00ed es donde la Junta de Buen Gobierno y el Comit\u00e9  Clandestino los llaman a los compas y les explican: nosotros no vamos a  decir que no, primero somos organizaci\u00f3n; segundo es que si ustedes van a  quedar alguien sobreviviente ya no tienes que estar en tu poblaci\u00f3n, te  ves obligado a que tienes que esconderte porque no te van a dejar vivo,  viva, esos cabrones, porque lo que quieren es terminar ah\u00ed las bases.  Entonces lo que hay que hacer es hagan su escrito, hagan la grabaci\u00f3n y  entonces donde vamos a hacer que le llegue a ese pinche gobierno, que lo  sepa que se van a morir los que est\u00e1n ah\u00ed y que tambi\u00e9n nos vamos a  morir, y que entonces, pase lo que pase.<\/p>\n<p>Luego ya buscamos otra forma m\u00e1s. Hicieron la grabaci\u00f3n los  compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, y buscamos la forma que le llegue al gobierno,  hasta ahora eso est\u00e1 vigente. Entonces el gobierno, lo sabemos, yo creo  que les dio el dinero a esos partidistas que est\u00e1n ah\u00ed, se calmaron  porque es su forma el gobierno c\u00f3mo los ha calmado. En todo lo que han  hecho es su forma del gobierno que les da un proyecto o le dan un poco  de dinero para que se reparta, siempre ha hecho as\u00ed el gobierno. Qui\u00e9n  sabe que va a pasar ahora porque no va a tener el dinero el gobierno.<\/p>\n<p>S\u00f3lo para dar menci\u00f3n de eso, de c\u00f3mo resistir, porque hemos tratado,  porque lo que nos damos cuenta nosotros es que por qu\u00e9 vamos a matar a  otro ind\u00edgena. Eso nos da rabia, si lo dijera tal cual lo hablamos en  nuestra asamblea es horrible, porque es que entonces le empezamos a dar  todos los tipos de menta al gobierno. Porque es que el coraje que nos da  es por qu\u00e9 son tan cabrones de c\u00f3mo los manipula; y luego por qu\u00e9,  disculpen la palabra, por qu\u00e9 hay pendejos, pendejas que se dejan  tambi\u00e9n para que manipula a su propia raza pues.<\/p>\n<p>Por ejemplo, esos los de la ORCAO. Una parte de la ORCAO ya se est\u00e1n  dando cuenta que est\u00e1 totalmente mal lo que est\u00e1n haciendo, pero luego  hay otra parte que nadie les interesa, por pago, ah\u00ed siguen amenazando.  Hace un mes los compa\u00f1eros de Morelia, mont\u00f3n de resistir lo que han  hecho los de la ORCAO. \u00bfLa CIOAC? Ni se diga, est\u00e1 eso del compa Galeano  y est\u00e1 lo que pas\u00f3 en Morelia, son los mismos de la CIOAC Hist\u00f3rica.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces, como nosotros queremos la vida, pero gracias a la  resistencia que la usamos, por eso no hemos acudido m\u00e1s a eso de  matarnos entre nosotros por la manipulaci\u00f3n que hace el gobierno.<\/p>\n<p>Tambi\u00e9n hemos resistido que nos llegan, es que llegan algunas visitas  de M\u00e9xico, les dicen o nos dicen a nosotros, les dicen a nuestros  pueblos que por qu\u00e9 nosotros no seguimos la lucha armada, que porque  somos unos reformistas nos dicen, otros nos dicen que porque somos unos  ultras, \u00bfentonces a qui\u00e9n le creemos? No, hay que resistir esas habladas  que dicen, porque se dicen las cosas, y la respuesta que decimos es que  una cosa es lo que se dice y otra es la que se hace, porque decir es  muy f\u00e1cil, puedo gritar y todo, pero ya cuando est\u00e1s ah\u00ed es otra cosa,  cambia.<\/p>\n<p>Gracias a la resistencia, compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, hermanas y  hermanos, no decimos que no es necesario las armas, pero hemos visto de  que en la parte, como se ha dicho, la desobediencia, nada m\u00e1s que es una  desobediencia organizada, es la verdad, aqu\u00ed ya no entra el mal  gobierno gracias a los compa\u00f1eros, a las compa\u00f1eras, entonces vemos que  s\u00ed vamos a poder hacer mejor, m\u00e1s organizada la resistencia y la  rebeld\u00eda en demostrar que no pidamos permiso a nadie.<\/p>\n<p>Que nos pongamos de acuerdo qu\u00e9 es lo que tenemos que hacer nosotros,  nosotras, eso es lo que nos anima, adem\u00e1s de que la generaci\u00f3n que est\u00e1  ahora con nosotros, con nosotras, o sea los que tienen ya 20 a\u00f1os, los  j\u00f3venes y las j\u00f3venas, es que ellos dicen: nosotros estamos puestos y  puestas, pero ens\u00e9\u00f1anos c\u00f3mo es lo que se quiere, el gobernarse.  Entonces ahora las zonas, con organizaci\u00f3n de resistencia y rebeld\u00eda ya  est\u00e1n formando la nueva generaci\u00f3n de j\u00f3venas y j\u00f3venes para que  realmente se pueda cumplir eso que dijimos ya, la palabra esa de que  siglos y por los siglos y para siempre, parece ser religioso eso, pero,  es de rebelde; porque es para siempre, entonces se necesita que se  tienen que estar prepar\u00e1ndose las generaciones para que nunca jam\u00e1s  vuelve el nieto de Absal\u00f3n Castellanos Dom\u00ednguez, o Javier Sol\u00f3rzano,  uno de los grandes finqueros pues.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces tenemos un gran trabajo para mejorar eso. No quiere decir,  compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras, hermanos y hermanas, no quiere decir que  estamos renunciando a nuestras armas sino que es ese entendimiento  pol\u00edtico, ideol\u00f3gico, rebelde, que nos da la forma de ver c\u00f3mo hay que  convertirlo realmente en arma de lucha esta resistencia. Ya los  compa\u00f1eros de las Juntas de Buen Gobierno nos est\u00e1n diciendo que ya se  necesita otra instancia, entonces nosotros pregunt\u00e1bamos con los compas  del CCRI \u00bfpor qu\u00e9 dicen eso, compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras? Entonces dicen \u2018es  que ya lo percibimos por qu\u00e9 tuvo que nacer la Junta de Buen Gobierno\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces ya nos platicaron, ya nos dijeron, ya nos explicaron. Cuando  los MAREZ, los municipios aut\u00f3nomos rebeldes zapatistas estaban  sueltos, unos s\u00ed tienen proyecto, otros no tienen proyecto, otros nada,  entonces cuando la Junta de Buen Gobierno ya se forma empieza a  controlar los municipios para que sea parejo, igual los proyectos. Ahora  como Junta de Buen Gobierno otra vez se est\u00e1n dando cuenta que no es  igual. Unos s\u00ed tienen m\u00e1s proyectos porque est\u00e1n m\u00e1s a la mano, en pie  de carretera, y los otros est\u00e1n muy lejanos, entonces no, pero nosotros  como Junta de Buen Gobierno no podemos, nosotros tenemos que someter en  la asamblea y en la compartici\u00f3n de las zonas ah\u00ed se tiene que discutir  si ya es momento que tenemos que formar otra instancia, porque adem\u00e1s  estamos organizando esta resistencia y rebeld\u00eda contra esta tormenta que  viene. Y m\u00e1s los compa\u00f1eros ahora dicen: ya es hora, su momento que nos  dicen, ya es su momento que tiene que haber otra instancia , porque  vamos a tener que empezar a actuar en la resistencia y rebeld\u00eda, ahora  s\u00ed que inter zonas, de todos los miles de zapatistas tienen que luchar  con resistencia y rebeld\u00eda, entonces se tienen que organizarse. Pero  gracias a ese terreno de lucha, de resistencia y rebeld\u00eda es lo que nos  ha ayudado, nos ha dado orientaci\u00f3n de c\u00f3mo tenemos que llevar a cabo. Y  si con eso, porque no vamos a pedirle permiso a nadie, ya para nosotros  se acab\u00f3 eso de que no nos la reconocieron la Ley sobre Derechos y  Cultura Ind\u00edgena, nos vamos; si es que entonces no nos la quieren  respetar ah\u00ed est\u00e1 la herramienta.<!--:--><!--:en--><\/p>\n<p>Many of the <em>compa\u00f1eras <\/em>spoke and they asked why and for what our <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>died  that dawn of 1994. Just as our combatants, men and women, had gone to  fight against the enemy, we had to see those who were trying to buy us  off as our enemy as well. It was important not to accept what they  wanted to give us.<\/p>\n<p>So that was how it started. It was very difficult to make contact  between the zones because the whole area was full of soldiers. Little by  little, we were able to pass the word from <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>in one zone to another about what the <em>compa\u00f1eras <\/em>were  saying, that we should not accept what the bad government was handing  out. That just as our combatants had gone to fight the enemy that  exploits us, we as bases of support also had to fight this enemy by not  accepting its handouts. And so little by little, in this way, this idea  spread throughout all the zones.<\/p>\n<p>Today we can give many different explanations for what rebellion and  resistance are to us, because they are things that we discovered a  little at a time, practicing through our actions, such that now we can  actually, as they say, theorize these ideas. Resistance for us is to  stand firm and strong, to respond to any attack from our enemy, the  system. Rebellion for us is to be fierce in our response and our  actions, according to what is necessary, to be ferocious and valiant in  carrying out our actions or whatever it is that we need to do.<\/p>\n<p>We discovered that resistance is not only resisting one\u2019s enemy,  refusing its crumbs or leftovers. Resistance also means resisting the  enemy\u2019s threats and provocations, even, for example, the noise of the  helicopters. Just hearing the noise of the helicopters can make you  afraid, because your head is telling you that they are going to kill  you, so you start running and that is when they see you and shoot you  down. So the key is to not be afraid, to resist, to be strong and firm  and not run when you hear the noise. Because the fucking helicopter  noise does, in fact, scare you, it alarms you, but the key is not to be  afraid and to stay calm.<\/p>\n<p>We realized this, that it isn\u2019t just about refusing [aid]. We also  have to resist our own outrage against the system\u2014and this part is  difficult and good at the same time\u2014we have to organize this resistance  and rebellion. What is the difficult part? There are thousands of us who  employ the weapon of resistance, thousands, and there are thousands of  us also who know how to control our rage and convert it into struggle.  These are both difficult, which is why I began by saying that in our  form of struggle we find our weapons.<\/p>\n<p>What we have seen is that organizing these two weapons of struggle  helped us to open our minds and our way of looking at things. But this  only works if resistance is organized\u2013 if one knows how to organize it  and begins from a point of already being organized, because there is no  resistance or rebellion without first having organization.<\/p>\n<p>This requires a lot of political and ideological work, a lot of  talking and guidance in the communities about resistance and rebellion. I  remember an assembly of <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and<em> compa\u00f1eras <\/em>where we were talking and the <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and <em>compa\u00f1eras <\/em>were comparing peaceful political struggle to violent struggle. So some of the <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>and <em>compa\u00f1eras <\/em>asked, what happened to our brothers in Guatemala? Thirty years of violent struggle and what situation are our brothers in now?<\/p>\n<p>Why does resistance within a peaceful political struggle have to be  organized so well? Or why do we have to prepare our military resistance?  Which will better serve us?<\/p>\n<p>We realized in that discussion that what it is that we want is life,  just as we said when Mexican civil society held that mobilization on  January 12, 1994; they wanted our lives preserved, for us not to die. So  how do we do that? What else do we need to do to resist and rebel?<\/p>\n<p>There we realized that one thing we\u2019d have to do was resist the  mockery that people made of our form of governing, our autonomy. We  would have to resist provocations from the army and the police. We would  have to resist the problems caused by social organizations. We would  have to resist the information that comes out in the media, all that  stuff about how the Zapatistas are over, that they no longer have any  strength, that the defunct Marcos is negotiating under the table with  Calder\u00f3n, or that Calder\u00f3n is covering his health care costs because he  is dying\u2026 well, he\u2019s dead already, he did die in the end, but not  because he went to Calder\u00f3n for a cure, but rather to give life to  another <em>compa\u00f1ero<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>So all of these psychological bombardments, we could call them, are  meant to demoralize our bases, and they make for a bunch of things that  we have to resist.<\/p>\n<p>Later we discovered the resistance in each one of us, because we  began to take on various tasks and responsibilities, and problems do  arise at home\u2014maybe this doesn\u2019t happen to you all, or maybe it does, or  maybe it\u2019s even worse for you\u2014but problems arise and we have to learn  to resist individually, and at the same time collectively.<\/p>\n<p>When we resist individually we think about the questions that come up  about my dad, my mom, my wife, of \u201cwhere are you?\u201d \u201cwhat are you  doing?\u201d \u201cwho are you with?\u201d etc. Right? So one has to resist doing  something bad, beating one\u2019s wife who then abandons her work, and then  later there are complaints, there isn\u2019t any corn, or beans, the firewood  isn\u2019t gathered, there are problems with the kids, and all of these kind  of things happen as a result. That is where resistance is  individualized.<\/p>\n<p>When we resist as a collective, it is done with discipline, that is,  through agreement. We make an agreement regarding how we are going to  deal with different types of problems. A recent example: in February, a  group of people that aren\u2019t Zapatistas were living on recuperated lands.  We hadn\u2019t said anything to them, but they got this idea that they  wanted to be the owners of the land, so they started the process to  legalize the land in their name.<\/p>\n<p>And it became clear that Mr. Velasco was telling them they needed a  certain number of people in order to do this, so these people started to  look for others to be members of their village, and people began  joining and they were armed. They grew to 58 people and then they  started to invade the land that belongs to the <em>compas<\/em>, recuperated land. So the <em>compas<\/em> said, \u201cwe\u2019re not going to allow this.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHow many are there?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, close to 60.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThat\u2019s enough to justify our going in with 600 people, armed, and finish them off, given all the problems they\u2019ve caused.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>They had poured a liquid over the <em>compas\u2019<\/em> pasture that burns the grass, they killed a stud and destroyed some of the <em>compa\u00f1eros\u2019<\/em> houses. So the <em>compas<\/em> were already really pissed and rebellious, they had really had it. But this is when the other <em>compas<\/em> intervene:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cRemember, <em>compa\u00f1eros, <\/em>we are a collective,\u2019 they say to the 600 that are gathered there:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cRemember the orange? What have we said about what happens if you poke a hole in a piece of fruit?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cAh yes. But do those assholes understand things like that?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cNo, we are not going to let the ways and times of those assholes be imposed on us. We have our own way and time.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So what happens to an orange or lemon if you poke a hole in it? It  rots the whole barrel of fruit. And what does that mean in this  situation? That whatever we do will affect the rest of our organization.  That\u2019s the thing. So we have to ask the bases of support if we are  going to respond with violence, or another way. Since we were already  thinking about this, we were already practicing this idea that we\u2019re  talking about now, our bases didn\u2019t permit a response like the one  suggested above.<\/p>\n<p>So we said to the <em>compas: <\/em>those people who are really  rebellious, mad, really pissed off, they\u2019re not going in. Tell their  representatives that they\u2019re not going because if they do they\u2019re going  to kill somebody, so it\u2019s better that they don\u2019t go. Tell their  representative so he knows and can inform them; making sure they know is  his problem. Also, the people who are really scared are not going  either. The only ones going are those who understand that they must go,  not to provoke, but to work the land, to plow the cornfield, build a  house and everything else. So at dawn, the 600 [<em>compas<\/em>] went to the land, unarmed. They coordinated among themselves to retake control of their land.<\/p>\n<p>This is how we control both rage and fear. We gather, explain, talk,  and make the issue clear, because the truth is that the great majority  of <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>are not going to allow that kind of violence.<\/p>\n<p>We have been developing this resistance for 20 years. At the  beginning it was difficult because we often face difficult situations  and need to know how to resolve them. I\u2019m going to give you an example  of how hard it is to change things, okay? Under Salinas\u2019 government,  they sponsored \u201cprojects,\u201d giving out cash or credit, and the <em>compas<\/em> were receiving these projects. Imagine, <em>milicianos<\/em>,  corporals, sergeants, Zapatistas accepting these handouts. So a good  half of this money goes to what? Bullets, for our weapons, and  equipment, and the other half goes to buy a cow like it was supposed to.  So they would buy what they were supposed to with just a part of the  funds, which is why the government stopped giving them out, even to the  brothers who are <em>partidistas<\/em> [political party followers or loyalists].<\/p>\n<p>So the <em>compas<\/em> came up with this idea, the one I have been  telling you about, that we should agree on this practice of refusing  stuff from the government. It was really hard, but the <em>compas<\/em> understood. They said yes, we\u2019re going to do this, we\u2019re going to  resist. The downside of this was that sometimes when we are supposed to  have a meeting, they say \u201cah no I can\u2019t come, I don\u2019t have any  transportation money because I\u2019m in resistance,\u201d which is really just an  excuse, it\u2019s not that they don\u2019t have it, it\u2019s just a cover, a pretext.<\/p>\n<p>But we started taking seriously this thing about refusing anything  from the system, and we found that it meant that we had to work hard on  our mother earth, doing the kinds of things that I have already told you  about in these days we have been together here. That is where the <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>began  to see the fruits of their labor and they realized that it\u2019s better to  work the earth and forget about that stuff the government gives out.<\/p>\n<p>We began to see that resistance and rebellion gave our organization  security and sustenance. We began to practice all kinds of things, like  the example I have been telling you about, of not talking to the  government; none of our bases talk to the government, not even when  there is a murder. We discovered that with resistance and rebellion we  could govern ourselves and with resistance and rebellion we could  develop our own initiatives.<\/p>\n<p>Each zone organizes its own resistance, on economic, ideological, and  political terrains. Some have more possibilities in particular areas  than others, so we experiment. For example, the <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>of  Los Altos [the highlands] have to buy corn most of their lives, they do  grow some but very little, and they have to buy it. So what we have done  is have other zones take their corn and sell it to the <em>compas<\/em> in Los Altos so that they don\u2019t have to buy it from the government store. So the money from the <em>compas<\/em> in Los Altos goes to another <em>Caracol <\/em>rather  than to the government. Sometimes this works out well, other times it  doesn\u2019t, but even when it doesn\u2019t work out, at least it\u2019s a bad thing  that we produced ourselves. For example, the corn is transported in  tons, so one time the <em>compa\u00f1eros <\/em>in charge of collecting the corn weren\u2019t checking it and the <em>compa<\/em> bases of support, the bastards, put a bunch of rotten corn in the middle of the package, and since the other <em>compas<\/em> didn\u2019t check it, it made it out and was transported. But when it got to  its destination where it would be consumed, they checked it over and  saw that <em>compas<\/em> were selling rotten corn to other <em>compas<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>So we have been correcting these types of problem, to make sure that  kind of thing doesn\u2019t happen. If we are going to be in resistance, the  resistance has to be really well organized. A kind of exchange, like  bartering as they say, didn\u2019t work for us, because we can\u2019t take tons of  pears or apples from Los Altos to sell in the Jungle, and that\u2019s what  the <em>compas<\/em> produce a lot of there, vegetables [fruits]. So that  doesn\u2019t work for us, and now we are discussing how we are going to do  this, we\u2019re about halfway through the process of organizing that.<\/p>\n<p>I\u2019m going to give you a series of examples.<\/p>\n<p>In 1998, the government came in and dismantled the autonomous municipalities, that was when Croquetas<a name=\"_ednref1\" href=\"#_edn1\">[i]<\/a>\u2014Albores\u2014was still governor. In [the municipality of] Tierra y Libertad, in the <em>Caracol I<\/em> of La Realidad, the judicial police came in and destroyed the building  that housed the autonomous municipality\u2019s governing offices. The <em>compa\u00f1eros milicianos<a name=\"_ednref2\" href=\"#_edn2\"><strong>[ii]<\/strong><\/a> <\/em>were  the most emphatic in wanting to fight the judicial police\u2014who were  really soldiers disguised as police\u2014and they were told that they  couldn\u2019t fight them. It was the <em>compas milicianos<\/em> who were most enraged that they were destroying the building where we housed our autonomous government.<\/p>\n<p>So we went to the communities to see what they thought, and the  communities said: let them destroy it, our autonomy is here, we have it  here among us, the building is just a building. So we had their support  and with that on our side we gave the order that the <em>milicianos<\/em> should not respond and make the organization pay the cost of their rage, and the <em>milicianos<\/em> and <em>milicianas<\/em> responded \u201cfucking authorities.\u201d But we began to see that sometimes the  rage of the base doesn\u2019t help us get where we need to go, and sometimes  it is the CCRI [Indigenous Revolutionary Clandestine Committee] or the  regional authority, or others that end up paying the price.<\/p>\n<p>Another example was when the army destroyed our first Aguascalientes. It was the same situation, we insurgents and <em>milicianos<\/em> were ready [to fight] because we knew that if they took a part of what  we had, it would feel like total defeat\u2014we thought very militarily then.  Because in the military if you lose a battle, you\u2019re fucked and you  have to recover lost ground, but it requires double the effort. So  again, what guided us was this question:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWhat do we want, death or life?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThen let those assholes do what they\u2019re going to do; we\u2019re not going to kill them, but they\u2019re also not going to kill us.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cBut what do we do if the ambush is already starting?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWe have to send word ahead.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So we had to get out of the way, and in doing that we avoided a lot  of death, on our side and also on that of the enemy. In one of the  ambushes authorization was given for a response, and that\u2019s where  General Monterola fell\u2014he was a corporal then, but later we made him a  General.<\/p>\n<p>It also happened that way in the <em>Caracol<\/em> of Garrucha when  the autonomous municipalities were dismantled, in the autonomous  municipality of Ricardo Flores Mag\u00f3n. The same thing happened, the order  was given not to respond to the violence that the enemy and the  government wanted. That\u2019s also how we have managed to endure so many  provocations from the <em>partidistas<\/em>\u2014those who let themselves be manipulated.<\/p>\n<p>This is what has happened to the <em>compa\u00f1eros, <\/em>in the places where these attacks and provocations have been particularly harsh, the <em>caracol<\/em> of Morelia, the <em>caracol<\/em> of Oventik, of Garrucha, and of Roberto Barrios; the paramilitaries  have been particularly cruel there in Roberto Barrios, Garrucha,  Morelia, and Oventik.<\/p>\n<p>For example, in San Marco Avil\u00e9s, our bases of support are constantly  harassed. What the paramilitaries do is try to force you to fall for a  provocation, it\u2019s clear that they have been well trained by the  government and the army, because they will frustrate you every possible  way, taking your coffee, your beans, your corn, pulling up whatever you  plant, cutting down your plantain trees, carrying off the pineapple you  grew; they just annoy you. Until one day our bases said enough is  enough. The good thing is that this rebellion and resistance is  organized collectively, so the <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and <em>compa\u00f1eras<\/em> bases of support from San Marcos Avil\u00e9s went to the <em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em> [Good Government Council] to say: we have come to say that we can\u2019t  take it anymore, we don\u2019t care if we die, but if we do we\u2019re going to  take them with us.<\/p>\n<p>So that\u2019s when the <em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em> and the Clandestine Committee [CCRI] called the <em>compas<\/em> together and explained: we\u2019re not going to tell you no, we are first  and foremost an organization; second, if any of you survive whatever  happens, you\u2019re not going to be able to go home, you\u2019ll have to go into  hiding because those assholes are not going to let you live, what they  want is to finish off the bases of support. So what you have to do is  create a document and a recording and we will get that to the  government, so they know that their people there are going to die and so  are we, and there you have it, whatever happens happens.<\/p>\n<p>Later we tried to find one more way to deal with the problem. The <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and <em>compa\u00f1eras<\/em> made their recording and we found a way to get it to the government,  and it is still there, still valid. So the government, we know, I think  gave money to the <em>partidistas<\/em> that are there, and they calmed  down, because that\u2019s how the government works. For whatever they want to  do, they provide a \u201cproject\u201d or distribute a little bit of money,  that\u2019s how the government has always worked. Who knows what they\u2019re  going to do now because they\u2019re not going to have a government like that  anymore.<\/p>\n<p>We mention this about how we resist, because we have tried\u2026 well, we  ask ourselves why would we kill another indigenous person. This idea  enrages us, if I told you exactly how we talk about it in our assembly,  well its horrible, because we begin to insult the government every way  we can think of. We are filled with rage because they are so incredibly  manipulative; and also because, and pardon my language, because they are  idiots, male and female, that let themselves be manipulated to go  against their own people.<\/p>\n<p>For example, these people from the ORCAO. One part of the ORCAO is  now coming to realize that what they are doing is totally wrong, but  there is another part that nobody is interested in, but that gets paid  and keeps making threats. A month ago the <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> from  Morelia had to resist what the ORCAO was doing. The CIOAC? Well you can  imagine, they\u2019re the ones behind what happened to the <em>compa<\/em> Galeano and what happened in Morelia, that\u2019s the same CIOAC Hist\u00f3rica.  So, because we want life, and thanks to our forms of resistance, we have  not fallen victim to the government\u2019s manipulation and resorted to  killing each other.<\/p>\n<p>We have also resisted those who come here\u2014visitors come from Mexico  City\u2014and tell us or tell our people that we are reformists because we  aren\u2019t waging armed struggle, or others who come and tell us that we are  extremists. So who are we supposed to believe? No, one must resist this  kind of talk, and our answer is: it\u2019s one thing to say things and  another thing to do things, because saying them is very easy, I can  stand here and yell about what to do, but once you\u2019re here on the ground  it\u2019s something else altogether.<\/p>\n<p>Thanks to our resistance, <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and <em>compa\u00f1eras<\/em>,  sisters and brothers, we don\u2019t say that weapons are no longer  necessary, but we have seen that disobedience, if it is an organized  disobedience, works; the government can\u2019t enter here, thanks to the <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and <em>compa\u00f1eras<\/em>.  We see that we are going to continue to be able to improve, to organize  our resistance and rebellion even better, demonstrating that we do not  ask permission of anyone.<\/p>\n<p>Rather, we agree among ourselves about what it is that we have to do,  and that is what encourages us, as does the generation that is now with  us, those who are 20 years old, the young people of today. They say: we  are firm and ready, but teach us how to do what is required, how to  govern ourselves. So now the zones, through the organization of their  resistance and rebellion, are training a whole generation of young  people, men and women, so that they can truly carry out what we have  already said here, that word that has been around for centuries and  forever\u2014and seems religious but isn\u2019t\u2014rebellion. Because it really is  for always and forever and thus we need the new generations to prepare  themselves so that the grandson of those large landowners like Absal\u00f3n  Castellanos Dom\u00ednguez or Javier Sol\u00f3rzano can never return here.<\/p>\n<p>So we have a great task in front of us to improve this process. This doesn\u2019t mean, <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> and <em>compa\u00f1eras, <\/em>brothers  and sisters, that we are renouncing our arms, but rather that with this  political, ideological, and rebellious understanding that constitutes  our perspective, we have to turn this resistance into a weapon of  struggle.<\/p>\n<p>The <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> of the <em>Juntas de Buen Gobierno<\/em> are telling us that we need another body, so we asked among the <em>compas<\/em> of the CCRI, \u201cwhy are they saying this <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, <em>compa\u00f1eras?<\/em> And they said \u201cnow we understand why the <em>Juntas de Buen Gobierno<\/em> had to be born.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>They talked to us about it, explained it. When the MAREZ, the  Autonomous Zapatista Municipalities in Rebellion were only loosely  organized together\u2014we could say it that way, because some had projects  [from outside groups] and others no, some had nothing at all \u2013 then the <em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em> was formed and began to regulate the municipalities so that their access to projects would be equal, even. Now the <em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em> is realizing that there is an unevenness again. Some have more projects  because they are more easily accessible, near the highway or closer in  general and others are very far away and so don\u2019t receive anything. But  we as the <em>Junta de Buen Gobierno<\/em>, they say, can\u2019t decide to  create a new body, we have to follow the will of the assembly, and  during the exchange between the zones they have to discuss if in fact  this is the moment to create another body. Because we are also right now  organizing this resistance and rebellion against the storm that is  coming. And the <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em> are also saying: this is the moment,  this is the time for a new body, because we are going to have to begin  to act in resistance and rebellion on an inter-zone level. The thousands  of Zapatistas have to fight together in their resistance and rebellion,  so they have to be organized. But it is thanks to this terrain of  struggle of resistance and rebellion that we have some guide for how we  will carry this out. And that will be our tool, because we are not going  to ask anyone for permission. For us, that era in which they [above]  refused to recognize the Law on Indigenous Rights and Culture is over,  we\u2019re done with that. If they do not want to respect that, well that  reality becomes our tool.<\/p>\n<p>All right <em>compa\u00f1eros<\/em>, we\u2019re going to continue later with  this part about resistance and rebellion, with more examples, but throw  some cold water on yourselves to wake up.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><a name=\"_edn1\" href=\"#_ednref1\">[i]<\/a> \u201cCroquetas,\u201d or doggy biscuit, was the nickname assigned by the EZLN to  Roberto Albores Guill\u00e9n, whose bloody tenure as governor of Chiapas  lasted from 1998-2000.<\/p>\n<p><a name=\"_edn2\" href=\"#_ednref2\">[ii]<\/a> Member of the EZLN\u2019s civilian militia or reserves.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><!--:--><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Palabras del Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s Escucha aqu\u00ed: [podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/pensamiento\/6mayo_sup-moises.mp3[\/podcast] 6 de mayo de 2015 Buenas tardes, compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, hermanos y hermanas. Les voy a compartir sobre el c\u00f3mo es que nosotros, nosotras, la tenemos como nuestras armas la resistencia y la rebeld\u00eda. Antes de empezar eso, el c\u00f3mo es que hacemos la resistencia y la rebeld\u00eda, [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,957,6,118,955],"tags":[644,56,926,897,494,657],"class_list":["post-13238","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-audio","category-autonomia","category-chiapas","category-ezln","category-ezln-temas","tag-comunicados-ezln","tag-encuentros","tag-ezln","tag-pensamiento-critico","tag-seminario","tag-subcomandante-moises"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13238","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=13238"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13238\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=13238"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=13238"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=13238"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}