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\n<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\nListen here:[podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/pensamiento\/5may_sup-moi.mp3[\/podcast]<\/p>\n
Good afternoon to everyone, compa\u00f1eras, compa\u00f1eros, brothers and sisters.<\/p>\n
In response to what we have been listening to yesterday, and the day before, we have been commenting in the commission of compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras of the CCRI, that it seems to us that you can see there what it is that we want to do. This is the reason all of us are here, and if we haven\u2019t been dreaming or sleeping, then we are thinking about the things that we have discussed, what the compas and brothers and sisters already brought up and talked about. They have already told us a lot about what this hydra is. So the question is what do we need to do against it?<\/p>\n
Organize ourselves. When we give this response, organize ourselves, it means that our brain is already telling us what must be done first, and then second, and third, and fourth, and so on. And so, it\u2019s an idea, when it is in your head it is an idea. Now, when you move your tongue, then it is in your words. What is still missing is action, that is, to organize. Now when you are organizing yourselves, watch out, because it isn\u2019t going to come out like you thought in the idea, or like you said in the word. You are going to begin to encounter a lot of barriers, a lot of challenges.<\/p>\n
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Porque si no, vamos a llegar a 2100, bueno, los que van a llegar, otra vez vamos a estar diciendo ideas, palabras, pensamientos, y mientras el capitalismo ya, \u00bfd\u00f3nde fuimos los que tanto hablamos mal del capitalismo?, \u00bfd\u00f3nde estuvimos si va a estar as\u00ed?<\/p>\n
Bueno, \u00e9sa es una reflexi\u00f3n que estuvimos viendo con los compas del CCRI, de la Comisi\u00f3n Sexta del EZLN.<\/p>\n
Vamos a seguir compartiendo lo del tema de ayer, o c\u00f3mo es la econom\u00eda en lucha, en resistencia de las y los zapatistas, en pr\u00e1ctica, no en teor\u00eda. En la pr\u00e1ctica lo sacamos lo poco de la teor\u00eda que estamos compartiendo por ahora.<\/p>\n
Por ejemplo, porque nosotros es as\u00ed, que no recibimos nada del gobierno, hasta incluso nosotros no hablamos nada con el gobierno, ning\u00fan base de apoyo. Aunque nos asesinen, no hablamos con el mal gobierno, \u00bfc\u00f3mo lo resolvemos que tenemos que darle de saber al mal gobierno? Una est\u00e1 ah\u00ed las denuncias p\u00fablicas que hace la Junta de Buen Gobierno para que de all\u00ed se supiera los malos gobiernos. Y si no, pues en las radios comunitarias zapatistas, porque as\u00ed como ayer lo est\u00e1bamos platicando, que el gobierno tiene sus esp\u00edas, sus orejas, hay alguien que est\u00e1 grabando los mensajes de las radios comunitarias zapatistas, pues ah\u00ed lo sacamos eso. Luego hay otra, pero ya luego despu\u00e9s les platicamos.<\/p>\n
Pocas veces manejamos dinero. Por ejemplo, en la movilizaci\u00f3n ah\u00ed s\u00ed nos obliga, porque hay que pagar con pesos la gasolina, no nos acepta kilos de ma\u00edz, frijol. Y eso es lo que lo peleamos, lo combatimos. Todo eso es lo que les voy a estar platicando en ejemplos, es con trabajo pol\u00edtico, ideol\u00f3gico, mucha explicaci\u00f3n, mucha pl\u00e1tica de lo importante, necesario de lo que queremos hacer.<\/p>\n
Por ejemplo, la educaci\u00f3n. La educaci\u00f3n de la escuela zapatista, les voy a contar c\u00f3mo es que inventamos. Un compa\u00f1ero que es formador de educaci\u00f3n de la zona, son seis meses que estuvo en el caracol preparando a los promotores, promotoras de educaci\u00f3n de los pueblos, donde llegan cientos alumnos, alumnos-maestros que se van a hacer.<\/p>\n
Entonces ese compa formador de educaci\u00f3n se fue a ver a su familia. Llegando en su casa de su pap\u00e1, \u2018ya vine, pap\u00e1\u2019, dice el compa. Y el pap\u00e1 de ese compa formador dice \u2018\u00bftrajiste tu ma\u00edz?, \u00bftrajiste tu frijol? Porque aqu\u00ed no tienes nada\u2019. Y el compa formador dice:<\/p>\n
\u2013 \u00bfC\u00f3mo?<\/p>\n
\u2013 \u00bfC\u00f3mo? Pues si no est\u00e1s trabajando.<\/p>\n
\u2013 \u00bfC\u00f3mo no estoy trabajando, pap\u00e1, si estoy trabajando all\u00e1 con los compas?<\/p>\n
\u2013 \u00bfQu\u00e9 te dieron tus compas, o los compas? Si es que entonces tambi\u00e9n es un beneficio de nosotros, por qu\u00e9 no piensan de que tambi\u00e9n ac\u00e1 algo tienes que tener tambi\u00e9n para poder vivir.<\/p>\n
\u2013 No, pues es que estamos en la lucha tambi\u00e9n \u2013dice, el compa.<\/p>\n
\u2013 S\u00ed pero tenemos que tener tambi\u00e9n sobrevivencia para luchar.<\/p>\n
\u2013 S\u00ed \u2013dice el compa formador.<\/p>\n
\u2013 \u00bfSabes qu\u00e9, hijo? \u2013dice el padre\u2013 Hijo, tienes que regresar. Habla con los autoridades aut\u00f3nomas porque si no as\u00ed va a estar todo el tiempo, sin organizarse.<\/p>\n
Y tuvo que regresar el compa. Habla con la Junta de Buen Gobierno, y la Junta de Buen Gobierno se organiza con los compa\u00f1eros que est\u00e1n en la comisi\u00f3n, que as\u00ed le decimos, la comisi\u00f3n de vigilancia y la comisi\u00f3n de informaci\u00f3n, o sea los compas, compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras del CCRI. Se organizaron y empezaron a discutir ese problema pues, porque ya es problema.<\/p>\n
Y ya la junta y el CCRI dicen, pues s\u00ed es cierto, este trabajo es siglos y por los siglos, entonces s\u00ed tenemos que ver. Entonces empieza la discusi\u00f3n ah\u00ed, ahora s\u00ed de qu\u00e9 hacer.<\/p>\n
\u2013 No, pues es que tenemos que sacar lo poco que tenemos.<\/p>\n
\u2013 \u00bfPero cu\u00e1nto va a durar eso, lo poco que tenemos?<\/p>\n
\u2013 No pues, apenas va a dar un a\u00f1o.<\/p>\n
Entonces eso empiezan a pensarlo y hasta que sale as\u00ed, de que, por ejemplo, la zona trabaja colectivamente, entonces el pueblo, o sea su pueblo del promotor o el formador de educaci\u00f3n, que participa las bases de apoyo ah\u00ed en el trabajo colectivo, entonces la propuesta de la junta es que entonces esos miembros bases de apoyo del pueblo de formador, es de que ya no se vayan all\u00e1 en el trabajo colectivo, que le trabajen su milpa, su frijolar, su cafetal, su potrero a la familia del compa formador. Entonces ya tiene ma\u00edz, tiene frijol, tiene cafetal, tiene algunos animalitos, pero son los compas bases que la van a hacer ese trabajo, entonces as\u00ed ya puede tener su paguita. Entonces no se le da un apoyo, no se le da un salario a los compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, formadores de educaci\u00f3n, al igual as\u00ed a los que preparan a los compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, promotores de salud.<\/p>\n
Otros compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, en otras zonas, es que son diferentes las situaciones de c\u00f3mo vivimos, por ejemplo, la zona Selva Fronteriza o la zona Selva Tzeltal no es lo mismo la situaci\u00f3n a los compas de Los Altos, son diferentes pues. Entonces hay zonas que trabajan colectivamente ganader\u00eda, entonces cuando los compa\u00f1eros tratan de organizarse en los primeros pasos, inmediatamente se dan cuenta.<\/p>\n
Por ejemplo, eso que estoy diciendo, en el trabajo colectivo que hacen de zona, que est\u00e1n muy lejos las comunidades, entonces a la hora de ir all\u00e1 en el punto del trabajo colectivo, hacen mucho gasto los compa\u00f1eros. Genera gasto, entonces lo que hacen los compas es distribuir los trabajos, pero es colectivo. Es decir de que entonces, vamos a imaginar de que \u00e9sta es una zona, todo este adentro de esta casa, pero son lej\u00edsimos, hay unos que son 10 horas en carro, entonces se hace acuerdo, entonces puede ser que son diferentes trabajos colectivos, aqu\u00ed es panader\u00eda, all\u00e1 en la otra esquina es zapater\u00eda, all\u00e1 es de granja de x cosa, luego aqu\u00ed otro trabajo colectivo de la zona. Entonces para que todos los pueblos y las bases, los m\u00e1s cercanos en los lugares ah\u00ed se van, para evitar m\u00e1s gastos, y luego ya nada m\u00e1s los representantes se re\u00fanen para informar c\u00f3mo est\u00e1n, c\u00f3mo van.<\/p>\n
El chiste es de que no quede nadie sin trabajar colectivamente. Y antes de que lo duden o un d\u00eda lo preguntan, \u00bfqu\u00e9 pasa con los que no quieren hacer el trabajo colectivo? No los obligamos. No los obligamos, simplemente le decimos \u2018est\u00e1 bien, compa\u00f1ero, compa\u00f1era, que no quieras, pero como zapatista que eres cuando hay cooperaci\u00f3n entonces tendr\u00e1 que salir en tu bolsa.<\/p>\n
Y en los hechos y en la pr\u00e1ctica lo est\u00e1n viendo los compas que es como han podido sobrevivir y es como han hecho su movimiento, los compa\u00f1eros. Y es como hay algunos que van a ir integr\u00e1ndose los que no quer\u00edan hacer el trabajo colectivo.<\/p>\n
Entonces esas zonas que trabajan en colectivo de ganader\u00eda, es lo mismo, todos los trabajos colectivos que se hacen es por el movimiento de la lucha o por el movimiento de la autonom\u00eda. Aqu\u00ed lo que se descubri\u00f3 en la pr\u00e1ctica es que no pod\u00edamos, o sea, nos equivocamos, fallamos antes, era el 100% el trabajo colectivo. Vimos que no funcion\u00f3 porque entonces hay quejas, muchos problemas.<\/p>\n
Quejas pues as\u00ed de qu\u00e9 no tiene sal, no tiene jab\u00f3n. Quejas en el sentido de que no se reparte a tiempo las siembras de lo que se cosecha. Quejas en el sentido de que hay compas que tienen muchos hijos, y se reparte igual; tienen pocos hijos otros compas y se reparte igual. Entonces todas esas cosas nos hizo reflexionar de que entonces es mejor que los pueblos, las regiones, los municipios aut\u00f3nomos y la zona se pongan de acuerdo c\u00f3mo quieren trabajar.<\/p>\n
El chiste es que entonces quiere ya tiempo para la familia y tiempo para lo que es colectivo. As\u00ed trabajan los compas. Por ejemplo ah\u00ed en la ganader\u00eda. Cuando hablo de ganader\u00eda no nada m\u00e1s una sola forma c\u00f3mo. Hay, por ejemplo, colectivos de ganader\u00eda que son vacas de crianza; hay otros que no, que son nada m\u00e1s comprar los toretes, tenerlos unos meses y luego venderlo, sacarlo y volver a comprar, como si fuera abarrote pues.<\/p>\n
Hay zonas que tambi\u00e9n trabajan en zapater\u00eda, los compas hacen sus zapatos. Hay una fuerte cr\u00edtica y llamada de atenci\u00f3n que se dieron los compas, como estoy hablando de ganader\u00eda, las pieles de ganado que los comen o que se mueren, ah\u00ed se pudren, de caballos, de burros, de mulos, ah\u00ed se pierden por no saber curtir. Y entonces intentaron los compas a buscarlo, nadie los quiere ense\u00f1ar, porque donde han buscado que les ense\u00f1ara, \u00e9se es el que compra los cueros. Bueno, a ver si por ah\u00ed qui\u00e9n sabe para que nos ense\u00f1e.<\/p>\n
Otra forma de econom\u00eda zapatista es, vete a saber por qu\u00e9 as\u00ed le pusieron los compas, le dicen los bancos aut\u00f3nomos. Los llamados BANPAZ, BANAMAZ; ahora resulta que dicen que hay BAC, que porque es Banco Aut\u00f3nomo Comunitario. Son dos ideas que se juega ah\u00ed. Uno es de las necesidades, jab\u00f3n, sal, az\u00facar y esas cosas. Entonces para que el dinero que tienen los compas a la hora de vender su frijol, su ma\u00edz, su puerco, lo que haya, es que entonces ponen su abarrote; entonces ese dinero que lo encuentran vendiendo sus productos se va en la cooperativa colectiva y ese dinero, lo poquito que tiene de la ganancia se va en el movimiento de la autonom\u00eda o de la lucha, para que no se le da a los partidistas.<\/p>\n
Y as\u00ed lo hacen tambi\u00e9n eso en el BAC o en los bancos aut\u00f3nomos, porque es que prestaban con otras personas, ya sea zapatista o no zapatista, y cobran hasta el 15% del inter\u00e9s mensual, o sea se aprovechan pues. Por eso los compas hacen ese fondo, ese banco aut\u00f3nomo, para salud y para lo que es comercio. Han tenido problema los compa\u00f1eros, no se crean que es muy bonito, han tenido problemas. Sobre esos problemas van a ir mejorando pues, pero s\u00ed hay cosas bonitas por decir as\u00ed, y es decisi\u00f3n de los pueblos, hombres y mujeres.<\/p>\n
Por ejemplo, si yo presto 10 mil pesos en el banco aut\u00f3nomo, entonces si mi hijo o mi esposa logr\u00e9 curarlo, pago el 2% del inter\u00e9s; y si entonces no logr\u00e9 curar, falleci\u00f3 mi hijo o mi esposa, es que tambi\u00e9n ya el prestado perdi\u00f3, ya no lo devuelvo. Es un acuerdo que tienen en la zona, as\u00ed como se perdi\u00f3 la vida de la familia, entonces tambi\u00e9n el dinero se va ah\u00ed.<\/p>\n
\u00bfDe d\u00f3nde lo encuentran el fondo en el banco aut\u00f3nomo? Tienen varias formas de c\u00f3mo hacer los compas de las zonas. Una es de que hacen acuerdo para que no sientan pesado los compas, las bases, es que entonces hay un acuerdo que lo tienen que es un peso por cada mes, cada base de apoyo. O sea este mes de mayo ya debo depositar un peso, y luego en junio otro peso, quiere decir que son 12 pesos que aporto yo como base de apoyo al a\u00f1o, y como somos miles entonces ya hay 12 mil, 15 mil, as\u00ed. Eso es lo que se va en el fondo, o sea en el banco aut\u00f3nomo.<\/p>\n
Otra es de los donativos que dan nuestros hermanos y hermanas, compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras solidarios. Una parte de eso se va en el fondo, en el banco aut\u00f3nomo, y otras partes se van en trabajos colectivos de la zona.<\/p>\n
Otra forma de c\u00f3mo conseguir recursos es que se ponen de acuerdo las zonas. Cuando son tiempos de vender las cosechas, ya sea caf\u00e9 o ma\u00edz, entonces es que se ponen de acuerdo, entonces por ejemplo, cada base de apoyo tiene que aportar 80 kilos de ma\u00edz, 50 kilos de frijol, entonces eso ya se vende por toneladas y entra ah\u00ed un fondo. Ya luego deciden si ese fondo se va al banco aut\u00f3nomo o para invertir en otra cosa.<\/p>\n
Otra forma de c\u00f3mo hacen los compas por zonas es que hacen el trabajo colectivo de milpa, el trabajo colectivo de cafetal, y ya cuando se cosecha es otra forma de c\u00f3mo hay un ingreso.<\/p>\n
Bueno entonces hay una cosa que quisi\u00e9ramos aqu\u00ed compartir, por si un d\u00eda les vaya a pasar a la hora que est\u00e1n luchando, que lo sepan que as\u00ed pasa. Ayer est\u00e1bamos platicando de ONGs, y dijimos que baj\u00f3 los proyectos, pero no es porque baj\u00f3 porque ya no hay ONGs o porque ya no gestionan proyectos las ONGs, ah\u00ed siguen. Es que hay algo que no les gust\u00f3. Hace varios a\u00f1os una ONG lleg\u00f3 con los compas juntas de buen gobierno y les dice de que hay un proyecto de salud, y los compas lo aceptan, que son 400 mil pesos en el proyecto. Entonces vuelven a llegar, a decir de c\u00f3mo se va a hacer el programa del proyecto de salud, pero ya otro miembro de la ONG, entonces la Junta de Buen Gobierno le pregunta d\u00f3nde est\u00e1 el papel del proyecto y del monto total del proyecto.<\/p>\n
\u2013 \u00bfA poco no lo tienen todav\u00eda? \u2013dice.<\/p>\n
\u2013 No, por eso estamos pidiendo.<\/p>\n
\u2013 Ah, pues con mucho gusto.<\/p>\n
Entonces sacan y entregan, y en el proyecto dice 1 mill\u00f3n 400 mil pesos. Entonces ah\u00ed vimos que esa ONG nos est\u00e1 dando a nosotros 400 mil pesos y les est\u00e1 quedando a ellos un mill\u00f3n de pesos. Claro, es para pagar la luz, es lo que luego dijeron, que es para pagar la renta y no s\u00e9 qu\u00e9. Entonces de all\u00ed nosotros empezamos a tener experiencia de que, no s\u00e9 c\u00f3mo decirles, porque seg\u00fan eso que dicen ONG, es Organizaciones No Gubernamentales, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n
Entonces del hombro de los que se est\u00e1n luchando por la injusticia y la desigualdad, y la miseria y todo lo dem\u00e1s, todav\u00eda se cuelgan otros ah\u00ed. Qu\u00e9 tan inteligentes somos, \u00bfno?<\/p>\n
Entonces a partir de eso se comunican los compas de las juntas de las zonas que hay que tener cuidado. Entonces ya cada ONG van ahora s\u00ed a presentar sus proyectos y se les pide d\u00f3nde est\u00e1 el monto total, \u2018ah\u00ed les voy a traer\u2019, ya hace a\u00f1os y no han podido llegar, no encuentran su carro.<\/p>\n
Entonces eso es lo que pas\u00f3. Unos quedaron, que ah\u00ed est\u00e1n acompa\u00f1ando a los compas de las juntas de buen gobierno. Pero no quiere decir que las ONGs que hay, que no est\u00e1n buscando de sus proyectos. S\u00ed, ah\u00ed andan por ah\u00ed, hasta incluso tal vez diciendo que est\u00e1n trabajando con los municipios aut\u00f3nomos rebeldes zapatistas, pero bueno, ah\u00ed lo ver\u00e1n ellos.<\/p>\n
Y una forma de c\u00f3mo ahorrar a los compas, el ejemplo que les voy a dar es sobre la salud, porque los compas de las juntas se ponen de acuerdo con algunos m\u00e9dicos que ayudan. Los m\u00e9dicos nos dicen de que hay dos cirug\u00edas, la menor y la mayor, y que la menor de las cirug\u00edas est\u00e1 saliendo a 20 o 25 mil pesos, y la mayor es mucho m\u00e1s. Entonces lo que hacen los m\u00e9dicos que ayudan a los compas es que se van en los hospitales aut\u00f3nomos y ah\u00ed hacen la cirug\u00eda los m\u00e9dicos que apoyan.<\/p>\n
Es un verdadero gran apoyo porque le echan la motosierra y sacan lo que sacan y ya, no pagan los compas. Ya los compas s\u00f3lo nom\u00e1s se encargan del antibi\u00f3tico pues, para que no haya infecci\u00f3n, que ya va saliendo a mil o a dos mil pesos. O sea es un ahorro bastante.<\/p>\n
Otra forma es que esa voz que ya les cont\u00e9 ya, corre. Corre en las comunidades, entonces ayer est\u00e1bamos platicando eso de que los partidistas van y no hay doctor, no hay cirujano o cirujana, entonces como corre la voz de c\u00f3mo organizan los compas, entonces todos los partidistas se van en el hospital donde llegan los m\u00e9dicos solidarios. Entonces lo que hacen los compas es que la asamblea de la zona es que se ponen de acuerdo, que tienen que cobrar algo, pero tampoco que se pasen de m\u00e1s.<\/p>\n
Por ejemplo, el m\u00e9dico que diga, esta cirug\u00eda vale 6 mil pesos, entonces 3 mil pesos tienen que pagar el partidista. Y si dice esta cirug\u00eda vale 8 mil, entonces 4 mil tiene que pagar el partidista. Pero aun as\u00ed, el partidista, la partidista est\u00e1 ahorrando porque all\u00e1 afuera es de 20 a 25 mil pesos.<\/p>\n
Es una forma del c\u00f3mo se busca de tener ingresos, entradas pues. Hay zonas que tienen sus trabajos colectivos de artesan\u00eda. Hay compa\u00f1eras en las zonas que trabajan como colectivo en ganader\u00eda o en vender comida, que son temporales porque no todo el tiempo hay salida, sino cada vez cuando hay fiesta de nosotros, nosotras, entonces es ah\u00ed donde funciona el colectivo \u00e9se de comedores.<\/p>\n
En estos trabajos colectivos que decimos de las zonas, los compa\u00f1eros autoridades de los Municipios Aut\u00f3nomos Rebeldes Zapatistas y las Juntas de Buen Gobierno son los que se encargan de promover, de agitar, y buscan apoyo de orientaci\u00f3n, de animaci\u00f3n, con los compas del Comit\u00e9 Clandestino.<\/p>\n
Ahora ya hay participaci\u00f3n de los compas bases de apoyo, que dan propuesta tambi\u00e9n en asamblea, qu\u00e9 trabajo colectivo se puede hacer. Esos trabajos colectivos que hablamos nos ha servido mucho como para entenderlo verdaderamente el vigilar al gobierno, porque son los que administran, el gobierno, la Junta de Buen Gobierno, o los MAREZ. Y como es trabajo, es sudor del pueblo entonces los compas exigen a sus autoridades que tienen que rendir la cuenta, cu\u00e1nto en total hubo de ingreso, cu\u00e1nto en total el gasto, en qu\u00e9 se gast\u00f3 y cu\u00e1nto es lo que queda. Es as\u00ed como no lo dejan en paz a sus autoridades que tienen que rendir cuenta, y se imaginan si es que sale faltando, porque ahora s\u00ed en vez de que se va en la c\u00e1rcel se va en el trabajo colectivo, porque tiene que pagar en el trabajo colectivo lo que roba o lo que gasta.<\/p>\n
En el trabajo colectivo que se hace, porque estamos hablando de cientos de hombres que van a trabajar, salen problemitas que luego se convierte en problemota. Por ejemplo, yo ya s\u00e9 que va a haber el trabajo de hacer milpa, entonces quiero un machete (inaudible), y luego este compa lleva un machetote. \u00bfCu\u00e1l es el chiste? El chiste es de que a la hora de que yo estoy trabajando esto, pues abarca muy poco el espacio el machete, y el que tiene grande el machete abarca m\u00e1s grande, o sea soy muy ma\u00f1oso yo, para que trabaje yo menos. Entonces cuando pasa eso, la autoridad, o sea el encargado del trabajo colectivo, entonces es lo que hace es que le toca 2 metros a cada quien, y ahora s\u00ed se chinga el que trae grande, chico, su herramienta, el que sali\u00f3 primero ya sali\u00f3.<\/p>\n
Porque esas cosas es las que desanima, es las que desmoraliza, causa problema, y que \u2018el dirigente por qu\u00e9 lo permite, es porque es su cu\u00f1ado, su suegro\u2019, esas cosas, \u00bfno? se busca la soluci\u00f3n de c\u00f3mo hacerlo. Ah, s\u00ed, otros est\u00e1n fumando cigarro, y otros que est\u00e1n limando mucho su machete, es para pasar tiempo, o sea para ser ma\u00f1oso no hace falta. Ojal\u00e1 que no les pasara porque ah\u00ed si no van a tener risa.<\/p>\n
Entonces, el chiste es, como ayer est\u00e1bamos diciendo, es que no nos dejamos. Somos muy tercos, somos muy necios. No lo abandonamos. Buscamos la salida, aconsejando, dando aclaraciones, explicaciones pues, y as\u00ed vamos a seguir.<\/p>\n
Los trabajos colectivos que estamos platicando, eso es lo que nos ha ayudado mucho, y de esas dos forma, de que el mes se divide, 10 d\u00edas para el trabajo colectivo, 20 d\u00edas para el trabajo de la familia. Cada qui\u00e9n se pone de acuerdo. Otro dice no, 5 d\u00edas para el trabajo colectivo y 25 d\u00edas para la de la familia. Cada qui\u00e9n se pone de acuerdo, ya sea pueblo, o sea comunidad, ya sea regi\u00f3n, ya sean municipios aut\u00f3nomos o como zona. Esos son cuatro niveles de c\u00f3mo se trabajan los trabajos colectivos, o sea, son cuatro niveles de asambleas, podemos decir as\u00ed, de c\u00f3mo se ponen de acuerdo pues.<\/p>\n
Entonces esto, lo que les platicamos, compas, lo que nos da la fuerza es porque estamos organizados. Y estamos organizados en todo y bajo un solo pensamiento, porque es que nos recordamos entre todos nosotros, es que aqu\u00ed nosotros tenemos que resolver ya. Ya no vamos a estar pensando de nadie, ni del gobierno ni nadie. Entonces, compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras, tenemos que resolver este problema, tenemos que hacer este trabajo. Se tiene que pensar, se tiene que discutir, se tiene que analizar, se tiene que animar, se tiene que consultar a las bases. Realmente los compa\u00f1eros han profundizado mucho ya esto, hasta incluso han encontrado ya el mecanismo de c\u00f3mo, porque es que lleva procesos.<\/p>\n
H\u00e1ganse de cuenta de que entonces est\u00e1bamos ac\u00e1, hay una propuesta de la Junta de Buen Gobierno ahorita, y nosotros como autoridades que estamos ac\u00e1, si lo entendemos la gran importancia, lo gran necesario, pero no lo saben nuestras bases, entonces tenemos que regresar. Entonces nos va a llevar 10, 15 d\u00edas, y luego regresar otra vez en la asamblea y ver el resultado. O sea, son procesos que lleva para que salga una decisi\u00f3n, pero ya lo que hace eso, que s\u00ed lo logremos, que lo logramos pues, es porque estamos organizados.<\/p>\n
La organizaci\u00f3n es la que nos une. Por eso es tan importante eso de decir organizarse. <\/em>Pero a la hora de que estamos ya aqu\u00ed, pues empieza eso empiezan los qu\u00e9 es lo que vamos a hacer, c\u00f3mo lo vamos a hacer, <\/em>y todos los montones de problemas, ah\u00ed lo van a ver, por eso se los estamos platicando nada m\u00e1s, para que entonces los que representan que tengan bien puestos los h\u00edgados, porque ah\u00ed lo van a ver, porque puede ser que primero t\u00fa eres el que abandones. Y cuando digo abandonar es por un mont\u00f3n de cosas, porque vas a robar lo que hay ah\u00ed, o porque s\u00f3lo nom\u00e1s es bueno de gritarlos y no trabajas, o sea nada m\u00e1s exiges, gritas y t\u00fa no. O al rev\u00e9s, t\u00fa est\u00e1s en chinga y tu pueblo ves que no te sigue, \u2018\u00bfpues pa qu\u00e9 estoy ching\u00e1ndome ac\u00e1?\u2019<\/p>\nVan a ver, ah\u00ed lo van a ver, por eso se lo estamos diciendo, pero es as\u00ed, no hay de otra, aunque quieras buscar no hay de otra. Est\u00e1 la idea eso que dicen que la desobediencia, o sea hay que desobedecer al sistema, \u00bfc\u00f3mo? Los compas bases de apoyo s\u00ed lo est\u00e1n haciendo, lo de desobedecer, y de por s\u00ed el gobierno no entra, ni en lo pol\u00edtico, ni en lo ideol\u00f3gico, y en lo econ\u00f3mico pues casi igual nos vamos, porque nosotros no pagamos los millones de impuestos, que son millones de pesos, pero tampoco recibimos los millones que dice que da, entonces por eso decimos que estamos m\u00e1s o menos igual pues. Pero no entra en lo cultural, ni en lo social.<\/p>\n
Entonces ya los veo que ya sus ojos est\u00e1n as\u00ed como ojito de armadillo. Ma\u00f1ana vamos a continuarnos y (inaudible).<\/p>\n
Because if we don\u2019t organize ourselves, we\u2019re going to get to the year 2100, well, that is, those of us who are going to get there, and we\u2019ll still be talking about ideas, words, and thoughts while capitalism has kept on, where were those of us who criticized capitalism so much? Where will we be if that\u2019s how things are?<\/p>\n
Ok, this is what we were reflecting on among the compas of the CCRI, of the Sixth Commission of the EZLN.<\/p>\n
We\u2019re going to continue sharing about yesterday\u2019s theme, about how the economy works in the struggle, in the resistance of the Zapatista men and women, but in practice, not in theory. From our practice we take the little bit of theory that we are sharing for now.<\/p>\n
For example, this is how we work, we don\u2019t receive anything from the government, in fact we don\u2019t even speak to the government, not a single base of support does so. Even if they murder us, we don\u2019t speak to the bad government. How do we deal with what we need to tell bad government? One way is through the public denunciations that the Good Government Councils make so that the bad governments get the message. And if not, well then in the Zapatista community radios, because as we were discussing yesterday, the government has its spies, its ears, and there is someone who is recording the messages on the Zapatista community radios, and so we put this information there. There\u2019s also another way, but we\u2019ll talk about that later.<\/p>\n
We seldom deal in money. For example, we don\u2019t have a choice when we have mobilizations, because we have to pay for the gasoline with pesos, they don\u2019t accept kilos of maize or beans. And this is what we fight, what we combat. Everything that I\u2019m going to be discussing here through examples, happens through a lot political and ideological work, a lot of explaining, a lot of conversation about the importance of and necessity for what we want to do.<\/p>\n
For example, education. I\u2019m going to tell you how we came up with our education process for the Zapatista school. A compa\u00f1ero who is a formador [teacher trainer] in the zone spent six months in the caracol training the education promotores and promotoras [like teachers, but literally \u2018promoters\u2019], where hundreds of students, student-future teachers go to be trained.<\/p>\n
And so this compa who is an education formador went to see his family. When he got to his father\u2019s house he said, \u201cI\u2019m here, papa.\u201d And the father of this compa formador asked, \u201cDid you bring your maize? Did you bring your beans? Because here you don\u2019t have anything,\u201d And the formador said:<\/p>\n
\u2013 But what do you mean?<\/p>\n
\u2013 What do I mean? Well you aren\u2019t working.<\/p>\n
\u2013 How can you say I\u2019m not working papa, if I am working there with the compas?<\/p>\n
\u2013 What did your compas give you? If your work is a benefit that we offer, then why don\u2019t they also think about the fact that here you also have to have something here to be able to live.
\n-No, the thing is that we are in the struggle too \u2013 said the compa.<\/p>\n
\u2013 Yes but we also need to survive in order to struggle.<\/p>\n
\u2013 Yes \u2013 said the compa formador.<\/p>\n
\u2013 You know what, my son? \u2013 said the father \u2013 Son, you need to go back there. Speak to the autonomous authorities, because if you don\u2019t it\u2019s going to continue on this way, without organization.<\/p>\n
And so the compa had to go back and talk to the Good Government Council, and the Good Government Council organized with the compa\u00f1eros who were in \u2018the commission,\u2019 which is what we call the vigilance commission and the information commission, that is, the compas, compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras of the CCRI. They organized and began to discuss this problem because well, it is a problem.<\/p>\n
And the junta and the CCRI say, yes it is true, this work takes a long time and will keep taking time, and so we need to figure out how to make it work. And so the discussion began there about what to do.<\/p>\n
\u2013 Well, we need to take it out of the little that we have.<\/p>\n
\u2013 But how long will it last, the little bit that we have?<\/p>\n
\u2013 No well, it will only last about a year.<\/p>\n
And so they started to think about the problem until they came up with an idea. For example, the zone works collectively, all of the bases of support who live there participate in collective work projects. So the Junta\u2019s proposal is that the bases of support from the community of the education promotor or formador don\u2019t go to do their collective work project, and that instead they work in the cornfield, the bean field, the coffee field, and the pasture of the formador\u2019s family. That way the formador will have maize, beans, coffee, a few animals, but it is the other compa bases of support that will do this work and that way he can have what he needs to live on. So they don\u2019t provide pay, they aren\u2019t giving a salary to the compa\u00f1ero and compa\u00f1era education formador, and they do the same thing for the people who train the compa\u00f1ero and compa\u00f1era health promotores.<\/p>\n
Other compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras in other zones, live in different situations. For example in the Selva Fronteriza Zone or the Selva Tzeltal Zone the situation isn\u2019t the same situation as it is for the compas in Los Altos; it is very different. So there are zones where they work collectively in cattle raising, and so when the compa\u00f1eros try to organize their first steps, there are some things that they realize immediately.<\/p>\n
For an example of what I am talking about, for the collective work at the zone level, the thing is that the communities are really far away, and the compa\u00f1eros have to spend a lot of money in order to get to the location where they do the collective work. Since this costs a lot, what the compas decided to do is distribute the tasks, but the work itself is collective. So let\u2019s imagine that this is a zone, imagine this building is a zone, but each community is very far way, some of them are 10 hours by car. So the compas come to an agreement. It might be the case that there are different collective work projects, there is a bakery over here, over there in that corner is a shoemaker, over in a another spot there is the farm that grows x thing, and then over there another collective project for the zone. So all of the communities, the bases, go and work at the collective project that is closest to them, in order to avoid having extra expenses, and then just the representatives meet to discuss how things are going.<\/p>\n
The point is that there isn\u2019t anyone who doesn\u2019t work collectively. And in case you have this doubt or some day it occurs to you to ask, what happens with the people who don\u2019t want to do the collective work? We don\u2019t force anyone to work. We don\u2019t force them, we simply say to them, \u201cthat is fine, compa\u00f1ero, compa\u00f1era, if you don\u2019t want to, but as a Zapatista, when we need to cooperate for something, you will have to pay out of your own pocket.\u201d<\/p>\n
And in our deeds and our practices, this is how the compas have managed to survive and this is how they have built their movement, the compa\u00f1eros. And it is how the ones who don\u2019t want to do the collective work have integrated themselves as well.<\/p>\n
It is the same thing in these zones that work collectively in cattle-raising. All of the collective work that they do is for the struggle, for the movement for autonomy. Here what we learned in practice is that what we were doing wasn\u2019t working, that is, we made a mistake, we failed when we required 100% collective work. We saw that this didn\u2019t work because there were complaints, there were a lot of problems.<\/p>\n
The complaints were that there wasn\u2019t any salt, or there was no soap. Complaints that the products of the harvest weren\u2019t distributed on time. Complaints that compas who had many children were apportioned equal amounts to compas who had few children. And so this all made us realize that it would be better if the communities, the regions, the autonomous municipalities, and the zone come to an agreement about how they wanted to work.<\/p>\n
The point is that they want time for the family and time for the collective. That is how the compas work. For one example we could take cattle-raising. When I talk about cattle-raising, there is not just one way of doing this. There are, for example, cattle collectives who do cattle breeding; others who don\u2019t, who just purchase the young bulls, have them for a few months and sell them, take their profit and buy another, as if they were trading goods.<\/p>\n
There are zones that also work in shoe making, where the compas make shoes. There the compas were very critical of and called out the others, the ones who do cattle raising, saying that the skins of the cattle that they eat, or who die, just rot there, the skins of horses, donkeys, mules, that there they are just lost because they don\u2019t know how to tan them. And so the compas tried to find someone to teach them how to do the tanning but no one wanted to do it, because they were looking for a teacher at the place that buys the skins. Well, maybe you all know someone who can teach us.<\/p>\n
Another form of Zapatista economy\u2014and who knows why the compas put it like this\u2014but the autonomous banks like the BANPAZ, BANAMAZ, well now they call them BAC, for Banco Autonomo Comunitario (Autonomous Community Bank). There are two ideas at play in these banks. One is about having basic necessities like soap, salt, sugar, and that type of thing. The bank is for the money that the compas have once they sell their beans, corn, pig, whatever they have, so they can put that money into their local supply store. That way, the money that they make selling their products goes into the collective cooperative and this little bit that they make goes toward the movement for autonomy, or the struggle, and not to the partidistas [party-followers or party loyalists].<\/p>\n
So this is what they do in the BAC or the autonomous banks. Because before when they had to borrow money from someone, Zapatista or not, they were charged up to 15% interest per month, meaning they were taken advantage of. That is why the compas created this fund, this autonomous bank, for health issues and for commerce. The compa\u00f1eros have had problems in this area; don\u2019t think it has gone perfectly. But these problems are being improved, and if there are good things, it is because of the decisions of the people in the communities, men and women.<\/p>\n
For example, if I borrow 10 thousand pesos from the autonomous bank for a family health problem, and my child or my wife is cured, I pay 2% interest. If they aren\u2019t cured, if my child or wife passes away, then the money lent is also lost; I don\u2019t have to pay it back. This is an agreement that they made in the zone, that if someone dies, then the money doesn\u2019t have to be paid back.<\/p>\n
Where does the fund in the autonomous bank come from? There are different ways that the compas create these funds in different zones. For example, one agreement that they have made in order to not place a big burden on the compas, the bases, is that they agreed that each base of support should pay one peso per month. Or, that is to say that this month, in May, I should deposit one peso, and then in June I deposit another peso. As a base of support, I pay 12 pesos per year, and given that there are thousands of us, then there are 12 thousand or 15 thousand pesos at the end of the year. This money is what goes into the fund, into the autonomous bank.<\/p>\n
Money also comes from the donations made by our brothers and sisters, compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras in solidarity. One part of these donations goes into this fund, into the autonomous bank, and another part goes to the collective work projects in the zone.<\/p>\n
Another way to acquire resources is through agreements in the zones. When it is time to sell the harvest, be it coffee or corn, they agree that, for example, each base of support contribute 80 kilos of corn, or 50 kilos of beans, and then they sell it by the ton and the money from the sale goes into the fund. Then they decide whether to deposit this fund in the autonomous bank or to invest it in something else.<\/p>\n
Another thing that the compas do by zones is collective work in the cornfield, or collective work in the coffee grove, and then they sell those harvests as another form of income.<\/p>\n
Ok, so there is something else that we want to share here, so that
\nsome day when you are struggling if the same thing happens to you, you are aware that such things go on. Yesterday we were talking about NGOs, and we said that there were fewer projects than there used to be, but this isn\u2019t because there are no longer NGOs or because NGOs don\u2019t manage projects anymore, they\u2019re still there. It is because there was something going on that we didn\u2019t like. A few years ago, an NGO came to the compas in the Good Government Council. They proposed to do a health project, and the compas agreed; there were 400 thousand pesos in the project. Later they came back to explain how the project would work, but this time the person who came was a different member of the NGO and so the Good Government Council asked to see the project paperwork and the information about the total resources for the project.<\/p>\n
\u2013 You don\u2019t have it yet? They asked.<\/p>\n
\u2013 No, that is why we are asking for it.<\/p>\n
\u2013 Oh, it\u2019s my pleasure to give it to you.<\/p>\n
And so they went and got it and gave it to us, and the project had a budget of 1 million 400 thousand pesos. And so we saw that this NGO was giving us 400 thousand pesos and keeping 1 million for themselves. Of course, it was to pay the light bill, they said later, to pay the rent, and I don\u2019t know what else. And so from that moment we started to think that, I don\u2019t know exactly how to put it into words, but isn\u2019t NGO supposed to mean Non-Governmental Organizations?
\nAnd so there are these people who latch on to those who are struggling against injustice, inequality, misery and all the rest. Smart, huh?<\/p>\n
From this moment on, the compas let the Juntas of the zone know that they had to be careful. Now we ask each NGO that comes to present their projects for the total budget. Sometimes they say \u201coh, we will bring it to you,\u201d and years pass and they haven\u2019t managed to bring it to us, they must not be able to find their car.<\/p>\n
And so that\u2019s what happened. Some stayed, and they are here accompanying the compas on the Good Government Councils. But that isn\u2019t to say that there aren\u2019t NGOs out there funding themselves through projects, maybe even saying that they are working with the Zapatista autonomous municipalities in rebellion, but whatever, that\u2019s their problem.<\/p>\n
I will give you an example of another way that the compas are able to gather resources, which has to do with health, because the compas of the Good Government Councils made an agreement with some doctors who provide assistance. The doctors told us that there are two types of surgeries, minor and major, and that the minor surgeries cost somewhere between 20 to 25 thousand pesos and the major surgeries cost much more. So the doctors who provide assistance to the compas go to the autonomous hospitals and do surgeries.<\/p>\n
It really is a huge help because they use their saws and remove what needs to be removed and that\u2019s it; the compas don\u2019t have to pay. The compas are only responsible for the cost of the antibiotics, which they take afterwards to avoid infection, and which only cost about a thousand or twelve hundred pesos. In other words, it is a major savings.<\/p>\n
Another way they gather funds, as I already mentioned, is that word gets around. It gets around the communities, and yesterday we were talking about this, about how the partidistas go to the Zapatista hospitals because they don\u2019t have a doctor, they don\u2019t have a surgeon, and word gets around about how the compas are organized, so all of the partidistas go to the hospital where the doctors in solidarity come to work. And so what the compas have done is that in a zone assembly they decided that they have to charge something, but they also don\u2019t want to charge too much.<\/p>\n
For example, if the doctor says that a surgery is worth 6 thousand pesos, then the partidista will have to pay 3 thousand. And if they say that a surgery is worth 8 thousand, then the partidista has to pay 4 thousand. This way the partidista is still saving money, because otherwise in another hospital they would be paying between 20 and 25 thousand pesos.<\/p>\n
This is one way that they try to have some income, revenue. There are zones that have work collectives that make crafts. There are compa\u00f1eras in the zones that work in cattle raising collectives or who sell food, doing collective work periodically when there are particular events. For example, each time we have a party, the food vendor collective is there selling food.<\/p>\n
In this collective work, as we call it in the zone, the compa\u00f1ero authorities of the Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities in Rebellion and the Good Government Councils are the ones responsible for promoting, motivating, and seeking out advising support and encouragement from the compas from the Clandestine Committee.<\/p>\n
Now the compa bases of support also participate, making proposals in the assembly about the kinds of collective work that can be done. These collective work projects that we are discussing have really helped us to understand and truly monitor our government, because they are the ones that administer the projects, our government, the Good Government Council, or the MAREZ. And because this work comes from the sweat of the people, then the compas demand clear accounting from their authorities, of how much came in, how much was spent, what it was spent on, and how much was left. And they don\u2019t leave their authorities alone; they are accountable to the people, and you can imagine what happens if there is money missing. Because now instead of going to jail one does collective work, because that person has to pay in collective work what they stole or spent.<\/p>\n
In the collective work that we do, because we are talking about hundreds of men who go to work, small problems arise that quickly become big ones. For example, I know that there is going to be work in the cornfield and so I need a machete [inaudible], but then this compa brings an enormous machete. What\u2019s the point? The point is when I am working, well the regular machete doesn\u2019t reach very far, and the guy who has the enormous machete can cover more ground, or that is to say that he thinks he is very sneaky because he can do less work. And so when this happens, the authority, or the person in charge of the collective work, assigns 2 meters to each person, and well, that means that the person who tried to be sneaky by bringing a bigger or smaller tool screws himself.<\/p>\n
Because it is these types of things that discourage people, demoralize them, cause problems, and they start saying \u201cwhy did the manager allow that? Because it is his brother-in-law, his father-in-law,\u201d and this type of thing, right? And they look for how to resolve them. And sure, others are smoking cigarettes and others file their machetes a lot to waste time, meaning there is no shortage of ways people try to be sneaky. I hope this doesn\u2019t happen to you because if it does you aren\u2019t going to be laughing.<\/p>\n
And so the point is, like we were saying yesterday, that we can\u2019t let this go. We are very stubborn, very hard-headed. We don\u2019t abandon the issue. We seek out a solution, advising and clarifying and explaining things, and that is how we continue along.<\/p>\n
For the collective work projects that we are discussing, what has really helped us a lot is working this way, where the month is divided into 10 days of collective work and 20 days of family work. Each person agrees. Someone might say no, 5 days for collective work and 25 for the work of the family. But each place makes their agreement, at the level of the community, or the region, or autonomous municipalities, or zone. These are the four levels at which the collective work projects happen, which is to say there are four levels of assemblies, we could say, four levels at which to come to agreement.<\/p>\n
And so what we are discussing here, compas, what gives us strength is the fact that we are organized. We are organized in everything and we share the same thinking, which is that we all remind ourselves that here we need to resolve our own problems. We don\u2019t think that anyone is going to resolve them for us, not the government or anyone. And so, compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras, we have to resolve this problem, we have to do this work. We have to think, we have to discuss, we have to analyze, we have to encourage, we have to consult the bases of support. Really the compa\u00f1eros have developed this profoundly, they have even developed the mechanisms for doing it, because it is a process.<\/p>\n
Note that while we have been here, there has been proposal from the Good Government Council, and we as the authorities who are here understand the great importance and need for this, but our bases do not yet know, and so we need to go back and inform them. And so it will take us 10 or 15 days, and then we will have another assembly and see how it turns out. That is, there are processes that we must go through in order to make a decision, but what makes this possible, the fact that we manage to do it, is because we are organized.<\/p>\n
The organization is what unites us. That is why this thing we say, to organize yourselves, is so important. But once you try, the first question is what are we going to do, how are we going to do it and there will be a mountain of problems, you\u2019ll see, which is why we are having this conversation. Because those of you here who are going to try to organize are really going to have to have guts, because you\u2019ll see, you might be the first one to abandon the process. And when I say abandon, it could be for many different reasons, it might be that you will steal what your people have, or that it turns out that you are only good at yelling at people but not at working, that you only make demands and yell but you yourself do nothing. Or it could be the opposite, that you work like crazy and you look at your people and they aren\u2019t following your example and so you ask yourself, \u201cwell, why am I killing myself here?\u201d<\/p>\n
You will see that what we are telling you is true, when you try do it, and that is why we are telling you this, because this is how it is, there isn\u2019t any other way. Even though you might want to try to find one, there just isn\u2019t any other way. There is this idea of what they call disobedience, or, the idea that you must disobey the system. How? The compa bases of support, now they are disobeying, and the government has no entry there, not in politics, nor in ideology, and with regards to economy we come out about even really, because we don\u2019t pay millions in taxes, millions of pesos, but we also don\u2019t receive the millions that they say they give out, and so that is why we say that it more or less equals out. But the government has no entry into our cultural or social life.<\/p>\n
So I can see that your eyes are starting to look like little armadillo eyes. Tomorrow we\u2019ll continue and (inaudible).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
Ver tambi\u00e9n: Cobertura completa del Seminario “El Pensamiento Cr\u00edtico frente a la Hidra Capitalista” Econom\u00eda pol\u00edtica desde las comunidades II. Subcomandante Insurgente Mois\u00e9s. (5 de mayo de 2015) Escucha aqu\u00ed: [podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/pensamiento\/5may_sup-moi.mp3[\/podcast] Buenas tardes a todos, compa\u00f1eras, compa\u00f1eros, hermanos y hermanas. Seg\u00fan lo que estamos explicando desde ayer, antier, est\u00e1bamos comentando con la comisi\u00f3n de compa\u00f1eros […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1,957,6,118,955],"tags":[644,56,897,494,657],"class_list":["post-13140","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-audio","category-autonomia","category-chiapas","category-ezln","category-ezln-temas","tag-comunicados-ezln","tag-encuentros","tag-pensamiento-critico","tag-seminario","tag-subcomandante-moises"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13140","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=13140"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/13140\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=13140"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=13140"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=13140"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}