{"id":10505,"date":"2014-08-13T10:59:40","date_gmt":"2014-08-13T15:59:40","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=10505"},"modified":"2014-08-19T10:12:05","modified_gmt":"2014-08-19T15:12:05","slug":"palabras-del-subcomandante-moises-a-los-medios-libres-en-la-realidad","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/?p=10505","title":{"rendered":"<!--:es-->Palabras del Subcomandante Mois\u00e9s a los Medios libres, aut\u00f3nomos, alternativos o como se llamen en La Realidad<!--:--><!--:en-->Words by Subcomandante Mois\u00e9s to the Free, Autonomous, Alternative Media or whatever they&#8217;re called at La Realidad<!--:-->"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><!--:es--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-10506  aligncenter\" title=\"comparticion-80\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>[podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/comparticion092014_SubMoi_medios.MP3[\/podcast]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Transcripci\u00f3n a cargo de &#8220;Los Tercios Compas&#8221; abajo:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><!--:--><!--:en--><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: center;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-10506  aligncenter\" title=\"comparticion-80\" src=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-300x199.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"199\" srcset=\"https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-350x233.jpg 350w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80-768x512.jpg 768w, https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/wp-content\/uploads\/2014\/08\/comparticion-80.jpg 800w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><strong>[podcast]https:\/\/radiozapatista.org\/Audios\/comparticion092014_SubMoi_medios.MP3[\/podcast]<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Transcription by &#8220;Los Tercios Compas&#8221; below:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong><!--:--><!--more--><!--:es--><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Segunda parte: palabras del Sub Mois\u00e9s.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Bueno, compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, escucharon lo que dijo el compa\u00f1ero  Subcomandante Insurgente Galeano. Eso es lo que vemos, eso es lo que  pensamos.<\/p>\n<p>O sea necesitamos la fuerza de uno a otro porque si lo entendemos de  c\u00f3mo est\u00e1 la vida, entonces por qu\u00e9 no lo entendemos de c\u00f3mo tenemos que  enlazarnos unos a otros.<\/p>\n<p>Algunos otros compa\u00f1eros que quedan ac\u00e1, que estuvieron como medios  libres pero al mismo tiempo como CNI, esos y esas compa\u00f1eras los  escucharon y los vieron. Deben ahora s\u00ed que hacer compartici\u00f3n entre  ustedes porque no es lo mismo de que yo platico pero yo no he escuchado.<\/p>\n<p>Es all\u00ed donde se siente entonces que tenemos que enlazarnos, tenemos que agarrarnos de las manos unos a otros.<\/p>\n<p>Como se les preguntaba a los compa\u00f1eros del Congreso Nacional  Ind\u00edgena, de que tenemos que agarrarnos juntos, o sea ind\u00edgenas y no  ind\u00edgenas, y los compa\u00f1eros, \u00bfen una sola voz sale pues la palabra? S\u00ed. O  sea que los compa\u00f1eros se entiende la vida de los que no son ind\u00edgenas,  entonces c\u00f3mo vamos a hacer eso, \u00bfc\u00f3mo vamos a luchar?<\/p>\n<p>O sea hay un gran trabajo que es mucho m\u00e1s, nosotros pensamos que es  mucho m\u00e1s dif\u00edcil pues a ustedes los que viven en la ciudad, aunque  tambi\u00e9n nosotros, los que vivimos en las comunidades como Congreso  Nacional Ind\u00edgena, pero por lo menos ah\u00ed todav\u00eda queda lo que es lo  com\u00fan, pero en las ciudades no.<\/p>\n<p>Atr\u00e1s de la barda de donde vive uno no sabe qu\u00e9 problema tiene su  vecino, a veces ni lo conoce qui\u00e9n es su vecino; y en las tres paredes,  yo vivo aqu\u00ed y ah\u00ed vive la otra, el otro vecino y ah\u00ed vive el otro; no  se preocupa mi vecino qu\u00e9 me est\u00e1 pasando a m\u00ed, ni yo me preocupo por  parte de \u00e9l o de ella. Y as\u00ed est\u00e1 encadenado.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces pues es un trabajo muy fuerte, con lo que viene, lo que  dicen los compas \u201cla bestia que viene\u201d, pues entre todos nos van a  destruir. Entonces c\u00f3mo podemos hacer ese trabajo. Pero ah\u00ed lo que  nosotros pensamos, no les estamos pidiendo de que entonces h\u00e1ganse  ind\u00edgenas, pero ni nos pidan tampoco que pensemos o que seamos como  ciudadanos que est\u00e1n ah\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>No. Cada quien luchemos pero estemos unidos. Recuerden que como dec\u00eda  el finado SubMarcos, por tanto que hemos escuchado, por escuchar en  varios de los caracoles que hemos hecho encuentro, tratamos de decir qu\u00e9  es lo importante y la hora de \u2013por cierto, varias veces se hizo aqu\u00ed\u2013,  no llegamos de acuerdo. Todos tienen las ideas buenas y no sale pues  porque a fuerzas quieren que sea aceptado lo que dice uno, lo que dice  otro, y esto, pero a los compa\u00f1eros, lo que podemos hacer es ver cu\u00e1l es  lo que s\u00ed les funciona, pero solamente esto podemos detectarlo si es  que escuchamos y si es que observamos.<\/p>\n<p>Ya ven que algunos aqu\u00ed, los que ya hab\u00edan entrado ya en la \u00faltima,  el cierre de la asamblea del CNI, esperaban los compa\u00f1eros que alguien  va a dar la palabra para que se cierra, y no es que as\u00ed lo ten\u00edamos  acordado que as\u00ed se iba a cerrar, bueno, para los que lo vieron, porque  son los mismos compa\u00f1eros lo cerraron, no estaba acordado.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces se dieron cuenta de que pas\u00f3 uno, \u2018ah, entonces yo tambi\u00e9n  quiero decir\u2019. Cuando empez\u00f3 quer\u00edan dar todav\u00eda como compartici\u00f3n, pero  se dieron cuenta de que no, ya es el cierre. Se encarrilaron ah\u00ed luego,  luego y as\u00ed se cerr\u00f3, \u00bfpor qu\u00e9? Porque es nada m\u00e1s el sentido de que es  de los compa\u00f1eros la asamblea y por lo tanto son los asamble\u00edstas los  que tienen que cerrar la asamblea. Esas cosas, por ejemplo.<\/p>\n<p>Necesitamos ver qu\u00e9 cosa es que funciona y que entonces se sienten  que todos somos iguales. No es eso de que \u201cyo soy la m\u00e1s importante o el  m\u00e1s importante\u201d. Pensamos nosotros es que no. Pensamos que \u00e9se es  ejemplo, c\u00f3mo podemos hacer entre todos nosotros eso. O sea que vayamos  encontrando c\u00f3mo es eso que decimos que un mundo nuevo.<\/p>\n<p>Hay que ir trabajando eso. Tan es as\u00ed que los compa\u00f1eros del Congreso  Nacional Ind\u00edgena dijeron: s\u00ed necesitamos compartir, no s\u00f3lo nom\u00e1s  nosotros los ind\u00edgenas, queremos compartir con los compa\u00f1eros y  compa\u00f1eras de la Sexta nacional e internacional. Luego entonces, c\u00f3mo  vamos a compartir, porque hay que pensar los que no le entran a la  Sexta, \u00bfc\u00f3mo vamos a compartir con ellos y con ellas?<\/p>\n<p>O sea, \u00bfc\u00f3mo vamos a respetarnos? \u00bfC\u00f3mo vamos a construir ese  respeto? Porque hay que construir ese respeto, as\u00ed como estamos ahorita,  esto. Y creo que entonces tenemos que mostrar ese ejemplo, compa\u00f1eros y  compa\u00f1eras de la Sexta de la ciudad, y compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras de la  Sexta en el campo, y que nos encontremos y nos sentimos uno solo, sin  pedirnos dejar lo que somos, sino que nos unimos a lo que queremos, a  este mundo.<\/p>\n<p>Por ejemplo, cuando est\u00e1bamos preparando esta compartici\u00f3n con los  compa\u00f1eros bases de apoyo, pensaban los compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras que  (nosotros como mandos) \u00edbamos a decirles \u201cesto es lo que van a hacer\u201d.  No. Se tuvo que hacer la asamblea aqu\u00ed donde est\u00e1n sentados ahorita, y  empez\u00f3 a salir las ideas y hasta que lo encontramos donde lo sentimos,  como dicen los compas, estos son los puntos.<\/p>\n<p>Pero salieron un mont\u00f3n de apuntes y hasta que com\u00fanmente dijeron  \u2018esto es\u2019. Para eso se enriqueci\u00f3 mucho, porque dec\u00edan nuestros  compa\u00f1eros: la tierra \u2013la madre tierra, como hablamos\u2013 se dice que en el  marxismo, en el leninismo se dice que la base principal del capitalismo  es los medios de producci\u00f3n, que es la tierra. Entonces los compa\u00f1eros  dicen no.<\/p>\n<p>Y les pregunt\u00e1bamos por qu\u00e9. Porque no, s\u00ed sabemos que as\u00ed piensa el  capitalismo y as\u00ed nos hizo el favor de dejar escrito, \u00e9sos, los que  transmitieron la idea, pero nosotros tenemos que entender, tenemos que  luchar para decir \u00a1ni madres! No vamos a permitir que sea as\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces la tierra, la madre tierra, es la base fundamental de la  vida de los seres vivos, as\u00ed sale de los que est\u00e1bamos sentados ac\u00e1.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013A ver, compa\u00f1ero, compa\u00f1era, argumenta eso.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013S\u00ed \u2013dice\u2013, porque entonces campo y ciudad, seres humanos en el campo  y en la ciudad viven la tierra, y todo lo que hay encima de la tierra,  los bichos, m\u00e1s lo que hay abajo, tambi\u00e9n es su base de la vida, los  gusanitos, eso. \u00bfPor qu\u00e9 vamos a permitir a esos bestias que vienen a  destruir?<\/p>\n<p>Y luego entra en discusi\u00f3n otra vez as\u00ed:<\/p>\n<p>\u2013\u00a1Ah, ching\u00e1! \u00bfC\u00f3mo vamos a hacer? C\u00f3mo vamos a hacer porque estamos  diciendo de que es medio de producci\u00f3n y hay que quit\u00e1rselos.<\/p>\n<p>As\u00ed dijimos, porque se acuerdan que en uno de los encuentros ah\u00ed en  CIDECI, el finado SubMarcos cuando present\u00f3 el bote de la coca ah\u00ed es  donde dec\u00edamos que s\u00ed es medio de producci\u00f3n para nosotros, entonces que  hay que quitar. Entonces c\u00f3mo vamos a hablar con los compas del CNI,  que tenemos que entenderlo que tenemos que quitar como medio de  producci\u00f3n.<br \/>\nOtra vez empezamos a discutirlo eso. El problema de aqu\u00ed es qui\u00e9n tiene  las mejores tierras y qui\u00e9n se adue\u00f1a de la riqueza que tiene la tierra.  Ah\u00ed es donde empezamos a apartar eso.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013No, pues es que son los transnacionales o los terratenientes, y por lo tanto s\u00ed se necesita de que hay que quit\u00e1rselo.<\/p>\n<p>Hay que quit\u00e1rselo, nada m\u00e1s que ahora s\u00ed, entre todos los que  vivimos en esa tierra, la madre tierra, todos tenemos que cuidarlo. Y  hay compa\u00f1eros que ah\u00ed dicen otra vez:<br \/>\n\u2013S\u00ed, porque los que viven en la ciudad cu\u00e1ntas toneladas le va ah\u00ed en el  excremento y se va en un r\u00edo, entonces contaminan el r\u00edo. Y los  empresarios lo tienen jodido a la madre tierra.<\/p>\n<p>Pero bueno, es nada m\u00e1s una partecita, c\u00f3mo es tan rico cuando vemos  com\u00fan. Entonces les estoy pasando eso porque como que se necesita que  haya compartici\u00f3n. No s\u00e9 c\u00f3mo lo vayan a hacer eso, porque se necesita  organizaci\u00f3n, se necesita trabajo, se necesita pensar pues.<\/p>\n<p>Pero creo que en el espacio que ya acordaron los compa\u00f1eros, en el  espacio como compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras de la Sexta, que se vaya  organiz\u00e1ndose eso y cada quien va a tener que luchar de lo que va a  tener que transmitir.<\/p>\n<p>De ver\u00e1s que se siente que si alguien transmite lo que ha observado, o  lo que ha trabajado, o lo que ha convivido con el pueblo. Porque luego  se siente de que alguien as\u00ed como presumiendo \u201ces que yo\u201d, \u201ces que m\u00ed\u201d o  \u201c\u00e9l\u201d, o \u201cella\u201d. O sea, lo est\u00e1s levantando a \u00e9l, a ella, y lo real, no  es cierto, es lo que est\u00e1bamos explicando entre nosotros como CNI, que  tenemos que consolidar lo que era antes, que verdaderamente  representaban a los compa\u00f1eros, las compa\u00f1eras.<\/p>\n<p>Porque todav\u00eda existen. Claro que lo quieren destruir por completo,  pero no han podido el capitalismo. Pero s\u00ed hay una buena parte ya que  s\u00ed, pero es por el control est\u00e1 haciendo su trabajo.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces creemos de que con esto algo va a tener que venir, otro  trabajo. Porque esto, no se crean que nosotros lo planeamos, \u00e9sa es una  de las cosas, nosotros no lo planeamos esto, vino del mismo de los  compa\u00f1eros y las compa\u00f1eras; eso es uno de lo que les compart\u00eda a los  compa\u00f1eros casi finalizando la asamblea.<\/p>\n<p>Y eso queremos compartirles tambi\u00e9n aqu\u00ed como medios libres, porque  vemos que cuando hablamos a nuestras bases, a nuestros pueblos, nada m\u00e1s  tenemos que apoyarlos a ellos y acordar con ellos y con ellas si les  parece pues de lo que sale en su participaci\u00f3n de ellos y de ellas.<\/p>\n<p>Estaba eso de que nosotros est\u00e1bamos como entregando la herencia,  como decimos. Y la \u00fanica herencia que \u00edbamos pas\u00e1ndoles de c\u00f3mo se tiene  que trabajar, c\u00f3mo se tiene que cuidar y todo eso, pues es la  organizaci\u00f3n como EZLN y la autonom\u00eda.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces los compa\u00f1eros y las compa\u00f1eras dec\u00edan, \u201cte falta otra,  porque qu\u00e9 vamos a hacer, no sabemos qu\u00e9 vamos a hacer con eso \u2013sobre de  la Otra Campa\u00f1a\u2013. Y es tambi\u00e9n ah\u00ed donde a nosotros eso nos despertaron  porque entonces qu\u00e9 \u00edbamos a decir de la Otra. Ah\u00ed es donde les  dijimos:<\/p>\n<p>\u2013Pues m\u00e1s bien ustedes. Lo que queremos de la Otra es que el pueblo  se organiza y que un d\u00eda tiene que mandar ese pueblo, o sea es lo que  ustedes est\u00e1n haciendo. Entonces ustedes tienen que compartir con los  compa\u00f1eros de la Sexta, los que le entran al trabajo de la Sexta. Eso  fue una campa\u00f1a que hicimos, por eso se llama Otra Campa\u00f1a, pero los que  le entran al trabajo de lo que dice la Sexta, que es organizarse, que  es luchar y ser anticapitalistas, entonces hay que compartir con esos  compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras.<\/p>\n<p>Como est\u00e1bamos discutiendo eso, ya entre todos y todas, ah\u00ed es donde sale.<\/p>\n<p>\u2013Pues como que hay que hacer una escuelita entonces \u2013dicen los comp\u00e1s.<\/p>\n<p>Por eso de ah\u00ed nace, pues se va a llamar escuelita porque as\u00ed  sienten, sintieron los compa\u00f1eros que es una cosa chiquitita, es una  escuelita. Entonces vamos a probar y vamos a hacer. Y s\u00ed, ayud\u00f3 mucho, y  muchos de los compa\u00f1eros y compa\u00f1eras, de los alumnos y alumnas que  vinieron, tienen otro forma de pensar ahora porque ya lo vieron en sus  propios ojos, no es porque se lo cuentan, no es porque vieron en  pel\u00edcula, sino que las vivieron esas horas que estuvieron ah\u00ed.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces de seguro que esos compa\u00f1eros alumnos y alumnas que vinieron, algo quiz\u00e1s, nos van a querer compartir.<\/p>\n<p>Entonces eso es lo que vemos.<\/p>\n<p>Pero muchas veces cuando hacemos ese tipo de compartici\u00f3n, a veces se  calma unos minutos y luego nos empezamos a hacernos pregunta de todo lo  que ya dijimos. \u00bfQu\u00e9 vimos? \u00bfQu\u00e9 pensamos? \u00bfQu\u00e9 creemos?<\/p>\n<p>Entonces aqu\u00ed los compa\u00f1eros, los que estuvieron como Congreso  Nacional Ind\u00edgena, y lo que ahora escucharon otra vez ahorita, \u00bfc\u00f3mo lo  ven? \u00bfQu\u00e9 se imaginan? Y como medios que llegaron pues escucharon lo que  presentaron los compa\u00f1eros en la clausura, a lo mejor de ah\u00ed tienen  alguna pregunta pues, porque dentro de la pregunta v\u00e1monos ayudando y  v\u00e1monos aclarando lo que no est\u00e1 claro, as\u00ed que si tienen pregunta hagan  la pregunta y si no hay quiere decir que todo est\u00e1 claro\u2026 o nada se  entendi\u00f3.<\/p>\n<p>(Fin de la intervenci\u00f3n del Sub Mois\u00e9s, siguen las intervenciones y  preguntas de los medios libres y l@s compas de la sexta mundial  presentes)<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Transcripci\u00f3n del audio original a cargo de \u201cLos Tercios Compas\u201d)<br \/>\nCopyleft: \u201clos tercios compas\u201d 12 agosto del 2014. Se permite la  reproducci\u00f3n in vitro, la circulaci\u00f3n a\u00fan con carga vehicular y el  consumo desmedido.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx\/2014\/08\/12\/segunda-parte-palabras-del-sub-moises\/\" target=\"_blank\"><strong>http:\/\/enlacezapatista.ezln.org.mx\/2014\/08\/12\/segunda-parte-palabras-del-sub-moises\/<\/strong><\/a><!--:--><!--:en--><\/strong><\/p>\n<h4 style=\"text-align: center;\">Second part of EZLN Press Conference: the Words of Subcomandante Insurgente Moises<\/h4>\n<p>Well, compa\u00f1eros, compa\u00f1eras, you heard what Subcomandante Insurgente Galeano said. This is what we see; this is what we think.<\/p>\n<p>We need one another\u2019s strength, because if we understand how life is, then we must also understand that we need to link ourselves together.<\/p>\n<p>You saw and heard some of the other compa\u00f1eros who were here as part of the free media but also part of the CNI. Now you [from the free media] should have an exchange amongst yourselves, because sharing in an exchange is not the same thing as speaking without having listened.<\/p>\n<p>It is through sharing that we realize that we have to link ourselves together, that we have to grab onto each other\u2019s hands.<\/p>\n<p>The question is, as we asked the compa\u00f1eros of the National Indigenous Congress, what is it that we have to grab onto together, indigenous and non-indigenous people, can we speak in one voice? Yes. The [indigenous] compa\u00f1eros understand the life of those who are not indigenous. So how will we do this? How will we struggle?<\/p>\n<p>In other words, our already large task is even greater, and we think that it is even more difficult for those who live in the city, although it is also hard for those of us who live in communities, like those of the National Indigenous Congress. At least in the communities there is still a life in common, but in the cities there isn\u2019t.<\/p>\n<p>There, in the city, behind the fences where one lives, people don\u2019t know their neighbor\u2019s problems, sometimes they don\u2019t even know who their neighbor is. Even sharing three walls\u2014I might live here, and some other neighbor lives over there, and someone else over there\u2014my neighbor isn\u2019t concerned about what is happening with me and I am not concerned with him or her. One after another people live like that.<\/p>\n<p>And so it is a very large task, especially given what is coming, what the compas call \u201cthe coming beast.\u201d But among all of us we will destroy it. The question we have to answer then is: how can we do this work? That\u2019s what we think. We are not asking you to become indigenous, but you also shouldn\u2019t ask us to think like or be like the people who live in the city.<\/p>\n<p>No. Each of us struggles, but we are united. Remember what the late SubMarcos used to say: for all we have heard and all the listening we have done in the different caracoles where we have held encounters, and where we have tried to determine and say what is most important, even then\u2014certainly it has happened multiple times here\u2014we don\u2019t manage to create an agreement. Everyone thinks they have the best idea and there is no agreement because everyone wants their particular idea to be accepted. But for us compa\u00f1eros, all that we can do is see what works, and we can only figure this out if we listen and observe.<\/p>\n<p>So some of you saw\u2014those of you who had already arrived during the last session, the closing of the CNI\u2014the compa\u00f1eros were thinking that someone would officially close the conference. But we hadn\u2019t decided that; those who witnessed this saw that it was the compa\u00f1eros themselves who closed the congress, we hadn\u2019t arranged this beforehand.<\/p>\n<p>So you who were here saw that someone came up thinking to himself, \u201coh, I want to say something too.\u201d He started off with something adequate for the exchange part of the conference, but people realized this wasn\u2019t the time and place for that, that this was the closing. Soon they got things back on track and closed the exchange. Why? Because this was the will of the compa\u00f1eros of the assembly, and it is the assembly members who have to close the assembly. These are just some examples of what I\u2019m talking about.<\/p>\n<p>We have to figure out what works best and what assures that we feel that we are all equal. None of this business of \u201cI am the most important, or he is the most important.\u201d We don\u2019t think that works. We think this exchange has been an example of how we can do this among ourselves. This is how we go about figuring out how this thing we call a new world is going to be.<\/p>\n<p>We have to continue to work on this. As the compa\u00f1eros of the National Indigenous Congress said: yes, we need to share our experiences, and not only among indigenous people. We also need to share with the compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras of the national and international Sixth. Then we have to figure out how will we share. And we also have to think about those who aren\u2019t part of the Sixth, how will we share with them?<\/p>\n<p>That is, how will we respect one another? How will we construct this respect? Because respect is something that we have to build, just as we are doing right now. And I think that we have to provide this example \u2013 the compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras of the Sixth in the city, and the compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras of the Sixth in the rural areas \u2013 when we come together: to feel as one without losing what we are. Rather, we unite in order to build this world that we want.<\/p>\n<p>For example, when we were preparing for this exchange with the compa\u00f1ero bases of support, they thought that (we as authorities) were going to tell them \u201cthis is what you are going to be doing.\u201d But no, we had an assembly right where you are sitting now, and ideas started to emerge until we found what felt right, as the compas say, and from that we determined the points to be covered.<\/p>\n<p>But tons of ideas emerged in the meantime until together everyone said, \u201cthis is it.\u201d That process enriched our ideas so much. For example, our compa\u00f1eros said: in Leninist Marxism they say that the primary base of capitalism is the means of production, and that is land \u2013 or what we call mother earth. But the compa\u00f1eros disagreed.<\/p>\n<p>And we asked them, why not? Because, [they said], we know that capitalism thinks of the land this way, and these guys did us the favor of writing down this idea, but we have to understand that our struggle is to say, hell no! We are not going to allow land to be the means of production for capital.<\/p>\n<p>And so what came out of the conversation for those of us who were sitting here then was that the land, mother earth, is the fundamental basis of life for living beings.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cSo, let\u2019s see, compa\u00f1ero, compa\u00f1era, how would you make this argument?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYes,\u201d they said, \u201cbecause in the country and the city, human beings live on the land, and everything on the land and under it, down to the bugs and worms, is the basis of life. Why would we allow these beasts [capitalists] to come and destroy it?\u201d<\/p>\n<p>And the discussion continued:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cOh shit! How are we going to do this? Because we are saying that this is their means of production and that we have to take it away from them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>That\u2019s what we said, because you might remember in one of the encuentros in CIDECI, the late SubMarcos presented a discussion about a can of coke, and in that discussion we said that whatever is a means of production for us we have to take back. And so how are we going to communicate to the compas from the CNI that we have to understand that we must take back the means of production. And so we started to discuss this again. The problem that we face here is has to do with who has the best lands and who takes all of the richness that the land possesses. That is the point from which we began the discussion.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, it is the transnational corporations and the landowners that take the land\u2019s richness, and that is why we need to get rid of them.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>We do have to get rid of them, but now all of us who live on this earth, on mother earth, have to care for it. And there are compa\u00f1eros who said:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cYes, because think how many tons of excrement those who live in the cities produce and release into the river, contaminating it. And the businessmen have completely screwed mother earth.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>But okay, that is just a little part of our conversation, so that you can see how rich it is when we share our ideas in common. I am telling you this because you need to have exchanges. I don\u2019t know how you will do it; it requires organization, work, and thought.<\/p>\n<p>But I think that in the space where the compa\u00f1eros have already agreed to work together, in the space created as compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras of the Sixth, this can be organized, and everyone will have to struggle to communicate their struggle there.<\/p>\n<p>You can sense when someone is communicating what they have observed or worked on or lived with the people. And you can tell the difference between that and someone who presumptuously starts from: \u201cthe thing is that I,\u201d or that \u201che\u201d or that \u201cshe\u201d and so on. That is, you can tell when an individual is being glorified, but this isn\u2019t really how things work. This is what we have been discussing among ourselves in the CNI, that what we have to do is strengthen the way we were before, to truly represent the compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras.<\/p>\n<p>Because they still exist. It is true that capitalism wants to destroy them completely, but it hasn\u2019t been able to. Yes, it has been able to destroy a lot, because it is doing its job.<\/p>\n<p>And so we believe that something has to come, another task. You shouldn\u2019t think that we [the authorities] planned this exchange. We didn\u2019t plan it; the compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras did it themselves. The compa\u00f1eros shared this fact near the closing of the assembly.<\/p>\n<p>And this also is something that we want to share with you, the free media, because we realize that when our bases, our people, speak, all that we have to do is support and assist them so that others can see the fruits of their participation.<\/p>\n<p>This is what we were doing here, passing on what we call the inheritance. And the only inheritance that we have to pass on is about how to work and to take care for things is our organization as the EZLN and our autonomy.<\/p>\n<p>So then, the compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras said \u201cyou are forgetting something, because we don\u2019t know what we are going to do with respect to this,\u201d talking about the Other Campaign. And that reminded us that we needed to say something about the Other. And so we said to them:<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, its better if you do it. Our hope for the Other is that the people organize themselves so that one day it is the people who command, that is, that others do what you are already doing. So you have to share this with our compa\u00f1eros from the Sixth, with those who do the work of the Sixth. The Other was a campaign that we carried out, that is why it was called the Other Campaign. But with regard to those who actually do the work of what is called the Sixth, which is to organize themselves, struggle, and be anticapitalist, you are the ones who have to share with these compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras.<\/p>\n<p>This is what we were discussing, among everyone, and that is where this idea came from.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cWell, then, we have to have a little school,\u201d the compas said.<\/p>\n<p>And that is how the idea was born, and we decided that we would call it \u2018the little school\u2019 because that is how the compa\u00f1eros thought about it, as a little thing, a little school. And so we were going to give it a try, we were going to do it. And yes, it helped a lot, and many of the compa\u00f1eros and compa\u00f1eras, the students who came, now have another way of thinking because they saw things here with their own eyes, not because someone told it to them, not because they saw it in a film, but because they lived it during those hours that they were here.<\/p>\n<p>And so certainly these compa\u00f1ero and compa\u00f1era students who came, maybe they want to share something with us.<\/p>\n<p>That is how we see it.<\/p>\n<p>But often when we have this type of exchange, sometimes it gets quiet for a few minutes and then we start to ask questions about all of the things that we have already discussed. What did we see? What do we think? What do we believe?<\/p>\n<p>So now, compa\u00f1eros who were here as part of the National Indigenous Congress and those who listened again now, how did you see things? What do you think? And to the media who came and listened to what the compa\u00f1eros presented in the closing, maybe you have some questions, so that through your questions we can help and clarify whatever isn\u2019t clear. So if you have questions, ask them, and if not that means that everything was clear\u2026or that you didn\u2019t understand anything.<\/p>\n<p>(End of Sub Mois\u00e9s\u2019 intervention. The questions and interventions of the free media and the comp@s from the world Sixth who were present followed.)<\/p>\n<p>(Transcription of the original audio by the \u201cOdd Ones Out,\u201d [Los Tercios Compas])<\/p>\n<p>Copyleft: \u201clos tercios compas\u201d August 12, 2014. 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